Dr_Pangloss Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Suarez has that ability to win games on his own, without him they are pretty shite, with Forlan being completely over the hill and Cavani extremely overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 This World Cup has been jizztastic so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Yeah Lineker and Platt never missed chances. Can't remember them missing any in a crucial world cup game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 dont think you can underestimate the situation on thursday, on paper and based on saturdays games then we should beat them, especially seeing as i dont think suarez will be fit enough to play, and even if he does he wont be right, but both teams will feel the nerves, its them or us, cup final in the second game... even huge name experienced players can bottle games like thursday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 what was the sitter? the one where he tried to hit the near post and dragged it just wide? IMO he should have scored after doing the hard bit but i wouldnt call it a sitter, not sure how many players would even try that to be honest, not exactly an easy skill to sell the defender and the keeper like that, and the keeper was completely down the river He dragged it quite a bit wide I think... A player on 300k a week should score that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 It was exactly the same as the goal he scored against us when they took us apart a few seasons ago. It's a lovely skill but by no means easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 Hang on, find me a single England fan getting carried away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 16, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted June 16, 2014 Hang on, find me a single England fan getting carried away?exactly! People are saying "oh you're getting caught up in the hype?" Saying we might scrape out of the group isn't getting carried away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 "if both teams play like they did on saturday night then we'll beat uruguay and probably get out of the group" is that being classed as getting carried away? although that said it is a bit harder to avoid the "we have to start barkley because he's world class" comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted June 16, 2014 Share Posted June 16, 2014 It's a myth that people think Uruguay have 11 world class players...they don't. They're a small country with a limited pool hence the problem of their regular RB being suspended now. It's a bit like say Poland qualifying for the world cup and everyone going on about the Dortmund players whereas in reality the other 8 bring down the quality significantly. Their keeper is decent, Godin is excellent, I don't think their midfield is that great and Forlan is past it now while Cavani relies much more on service than Suarez. In South Africa Forlan was exceptional, arguably the best player at the tournament and Suarez chipped in with goals. Likes of Lugano and Diego Perez were also younger but this tournament they are showing their age and Uruguay don't have the depth to replace them. They're just to me an example of a nation that massively overachieved 4 years ago and are returning to their natural level now. If you actually watch them they're worse than passing the ball than England, usually just get the ball forward quickly into the corners for Suzrez and Cavani to run onto and do their stuff. Be warned though they love being underdogs in games and often get results but I'd be surprised if England lose to them on Thursday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rino8 Posted June 16, 2014 Visiting Supporter Share Posted June 16, 2014 I fancy us against Uruguay, regardless of whether Suarez plays or not. Their CM's aren't really any good on the ball so they don't keep possession that combined with their defence being shaky at best means they're reliant on Cavani and Suarez. If we play like we did I think we'll win by a couple of goals. Suarez/Cavani have the potential to beat us by themselves on their day, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Uruguay best players at moment are probably Godin, Suarez(nowhere near match fit) and Maxi Pereira(suspended) while Diego Perez, Lugano and Forlan were great for them but past it. Ass for Cavani I don't see it a flashier Darren Bent. He was toxic vs Chelsea in Champions League and penalty aside he wasn't much better vs Costa Rica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packoman Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Would Italy have focused down the right if Ashley Cole was playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Would Italy have focused down the right if Ashley Cole was playing? Yes because it wasn't the fact that Baines had a stinker, it's because the left side of midfield didn't track back (that includes Rooney as LW, Henderson and Gerrard as CDMs), thus it was always 2 vs 1. You could have had Maldini in his peak playing LB, but if there's 2 v 1, it's impossible. The left side of midfield cost us the game, not Baines. sry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Suarez has been passed fit apparently...or is this mind games? He did look sharp when I saw footage of him training yesterday... On Uruguay's style of play I think they'll try to make the match a fight and a battle, they seem to revel in that! I just hope we don't fall foul of any dirty tactics they might employ; we know what Suarez is like and the British players often get sucked into these kinds of situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 I think he'll play, but he won't be match fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 dont think you can underestimate the situation on thursday, on paper and based on saturdays games then we should beat them, especially seeing as i dont think suarez will be fit enough to play, and even if he does he wont be right, but both teams will feel the nerves, its them or us, cup final in the second game... even huge name experienced players can bottle games like thursday There is no way Suarez will be properly fit. If he wasn't fit enough to play 10 minutes in a game they really had to win, then he's not going to be fully fit 5 days later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 dont think you can underestimate the situation on thursday, on paper and based on saturdays games then we should beat them, especially seeing as i dont think suarez will be fit enough to play, and even if he does he wont be right, but both teams will feel the nerves, its them or us, cup final in the second game... even huge name experienced players can bottle games like thursday There is no way Suarez will be properly fit. If he wasn't fit enough to play 10 minutes in a game they really had to win, then he's not going to be fully fit 5 days later. yeah I agree with this plus don't think he hast played since last day of season so will be rusty as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 18, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted June 18, 2014 England have the 3rd highest pass completion rate of any team in the world cup so far. (Only France and Italy have higher) In the opposition half, they have the highest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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