Jarpie Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I think Moyes is very much in the mould of O'Neill (although I'd argue a better version) He's unquestionably a good manager. He'll get a team up the table you'd imagine. But he strikes me as a manager with a ceiling, and I think that's been shown this season at united. The real question is, are we the kind of team who could turn down Moyes because he wouldn't win us the title? When in actual fact we'd be turning down a manager who would probably (IMO) sort us the **** out. I'd much rather have a manager who has potential to get us higher than mid-table. Look at Martinez' Everton, they're still fighting for the fourth place and their team isn't amazing on paper, albeit much better than ours at the moment, but I don't see why we couldn't manage to do the same with good manager and 5-6 good buys. I think there's very much a reason why so few managers from UK has managed to get to the Top 6 in PL - English coaching and managing traditions and style is holding them back, which are IMO too old-fashioned for modern football and footballers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 22, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted April 22, 2014 The problem is, its very easy to say you'd rather a manager with that potential, but actually finding one is another thing. Of course we'd all love a manager who would do better than Moyes. That goes without saying. But Lambert had that potential. So did Solksjaer, and they're both looking like theyre actually not that good. My point is, can we afford to turn down a manager like Moyes, a relatively safe bet, in order to gamble on a manager with potential, who COULD get us eventually higher, but could also quite as easily not be all he's cut out to be. We'd all love a Martinez, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. 2 years ago most people would have wanted Lambert ahead of Martinez, myself very much included. Not many of us predicted them to turn out this way 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Harsh to lump Solskjær in with Lambert. He came mid-season, too early to make a judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 The problem is, its very easy to say you'd rather a manager with that potential, but actually finding one is another thing. Of course we'd all love a manager who would do better than Moyes. That goes without saying. But Lambert had that potential. So did Solksjaer, and they're both looking like theyre actually not that good. My point is, can we afford to turn down a manager like Moyes, a relatively safe bet, in order to gamble on a manager with potential, who COULD get us eventually higher, but could also quite as easily not be all he's cut out to be. We'd all love a Martinez, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. 2 years ago most people would have wanted Lambert ahead of Martinez, myself very much included. Not many of us predicted them to turn out this way I think it's unfair to judge solskjaer based on 4 months to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 22, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted April 22, 2014 Doesn't matter. I was making a point that potential isn't always realised. Pick any number of managers who haven't fulfilled their potentialPlus, with our chairman's record, would you trust him to pick the future mourinho? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Doesn't matter. I was making a point that potential isn't always realised. Pick any number of managers who haven't fulfilled their potentialPlus, with our chairman's record, would you trust him to pick the future mourinho? You can't say whether someone has fulfilled their potential in four months being the point. Did you say the same four months into Lambert's reign here when we were struggling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 We can forget the top managers now. Klopp at Utd and Van Gaal to Spurs maybe? So who does that realistically leave? If Lambert goes then the best we could hope for is a 'Moyes' type anyway, rather that than a Redknapp or an AVB. Unispiring I know. Oh right, glad we can cross them off the list then as I was really really hoping we'd bring in Van Gaal or Klopp. Jeezus, Aston who? Would be Klopp's reply I'd imagine. Think we need to refocus on being a tad more realistic here, forget the last 12 months, what Moyes did with Everton is exactly what we need, to be turned from a shit near-the-bottom team into a well oiled machine who are damn tough to beat particularly at home and pushing for or finishing in the top 6 each season - that's what Moyes could bring and for me, that's all I could ask for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 We can forget the top managers now. Klopp at Utd and Van Gaal to Spurs maybe? So who does that realistically leave? If Lambert goes then the best we could hope for is a 'Moyes' type anyway, rather that than a Redknapp or an AVB. Unispiring I know. Oh right, glad we can cross them off the list then as I was really really hoping we'd bring in Van Gaal or Klopp. Jeezus, Aston who? Would be Klopp's reply I'd imagine. Think we need to refocus on being a tad more realistic here, forget the last 12 months, what Moyes did with Everton is exactly what we need, to be turned from a shit near-the-bottom team into a well oiled machine who are damn tough to beat particularly at home and pushing for or finishing in the top 6 each season - that's what Moyes could bring and for me, that's all I could ask for. Depends on the owners though. Look at Man City, they were a mid table side when they got rich owners, it's not about the size lads, it's about funds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarpie Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 We can forget the top managers now. Klopp at Utd and Van Gaal to Spurs maybe? So who does that realistically leave? If Lambert goes then the best we could hope for is a 'Moyes' type anyway, rather that than a Redknapp or an AVB. Unispiring I know. Oh right, glad we can cross them off the list then as I was really really hoping we'd bring in Van Gaal or Klopp. Jeezus, Aston who? Would be Klopp's reply I'd imagine. Think we need to refocus on being a tad more realistic here, forget the last 12 months, what Moyes did with Everton is exactly what we need, to be turned from a shit near-the-bottom team into a well oiled machine who are damn tough to beat particularly at home and pushing for or finishing in the top 6 each season - that's what Moyes could bring and for me, that's all I could ask for. That was ten years ago - people change in ten years, and football has certainly changed in the last ten years. Sure, he did well in Everton in couple last seasons but he already had stable team at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moorski Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) Laudrup & Laursen dream team for me Edited April 22, 2014 by Moorski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 We can forget the top managers now. Klopp at Utd and Van Gaal to Spurs maybe? So who does that realistically leave? If Lambert goes then the best we could hope for is a 'Moyes' type anyway, rather that than a Redknapp or an AVB. Unispiring I know. Oh right, glad we can cross them off the list then as I was really really hoping we'd bring in Van Gaal or Klopp. Jeezus, Aston who? Would be Klopp's reply I'd imagine. Think we need to refocus on being a tad more realistic here, forget the last 12 months, what Moyes did with Everton is exactly what we need, to be turned from a shit near-the-bottom team into a well oiled machine who are damn tough to beat particularly at home and pushing for or finishing in the top 6 each season - that's what Moyes could bring and for me, that's all I could ask for. That was ten years ago - people change in ten years, and football has certainly changed in the last ten years. Sure, he did well in Everton in couple last seasons but he already had stable team at that time. A stable team that he built Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Laudrup & Laursen dream team for me IMO Laudrup would be an unmitigated disaster for Aston Villa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 We can forget the top managers now. Klopp at Utd and Van Gaal to Spurs maybe? So who does that realistically leave? If Lambert goes then the best we could hope for is a 'Moyes' type anyway, rather that than a Redknapp or an AVB. Unispiring I know. Oh right, glad we can cross them off the list then as I was really really hoping we'd bring in Van Gaal or Klopp. Jeezus, Aston who? Would be Klopp's reply I'd imagine. Think we need to refocus on being a tad more realistic here, forget the last 12 months, what Moyes did with Everton is exactly what we need, to be turned from a shit near-the-bottom team into a well oiled machine who are damn tough to beat particularly at home and pushing for or finishing in the top 6 each season - that's what Moyes could bring and for me, that's all I could ask for. Depends on the owners though. Look at Man City, they were a mid table side when they got rich owners, it's not about the size lads, it's about funds. Thing is though I don't think anyone's expecting us to be taken over by an oil rich arab family though, do they? If we do get taken over it's likely there will be some investment, significant perhaps by recent standards for us but it's not going to be to the Citeh extent, or at least I'd strongly imagine not anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David-Copenhagen Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Laudrup & Laursen dream team for me IMO Laudrup would be an unmitigated disaster for Aston Villa Not if he gets proper backing. But on a shoestring like Lambert, then I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarpie Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 That was ten years ago - people change in ten years, and football has certainly changed in the last ten years. Sure, he did well in Everton in couple last seasons but he already had stable team at that time. A stable team that he built Yeah, he built that years ago. I think he is way too conservative for modern football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Laursen, Mellberg and Carew. Done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickjacobjr Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Laursen, Mellberg and Carew. Done.be a disaster no experience at all of mgt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Laursen, Mellberg and Carew. Done. For a drunken night out on Broad St absolutely. Running Aston Villa? Get the **** out of here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Laudrup is a shit manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 There is no one better than Lambert. Mark my words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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