Popular Post Wes Posted May 10, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted May 10, 2013 (edited) Did a little experiment with the Dortmund squad that won at home against Real Madrid 4-1. Due to the links between Lambert and that club, our similiar style of play to theirs, how popular they are at the moment (on this forum and in the media) and how often PL comments about them I wanted to see how they built the squad that played in that game to see if it gave any insight in to the kind of method we may employ in the future: 01/02 DM - Sebastien Kehl (21) - £3m (Freiburg) 02/03 GK - Weidenfeller (21) – Free (Kaiserslautern) 07/08 RW - Blaszyczykowski (21) - £3m (Krakow) 08/09 - Klopp's first season CB - Neven Subotic (19) - £4m (Mainz – 2. Bundesliga) DL - Marcel Schemlzer (20) – (Promoted from youth squad) CB – Felipe Santana (22) - £2m (Figueriense – Serie B ) 09/10 CB - Mats Hummels (20) - £4m (Bayern) DM - Sven Bender (20) - £1.5m (1860 Munich – 2. Bundesliga) CM - Kevin Grosskreutz (20) – Free (Rot Weiss Ahlen – 2. Bundesliga) GK - Mitchell Langerak (21) - £0.5m (Melbourne Victory) 10/11 ST - Robert Lewandowski (21) - £4m (Poznan) AM – Mario Gotze (18) – (Promoted from youth squad) CM - Moritz Leitner (17) - £0.7m (1860 Munich – 2. Bundesliga) RB – Lukasz Piszczek (25) – Free (Hertha Berlin – 2. Bundesliga) 11/12 CM - lkay Gundogan (20) – £4m (Nuremberg) 12/13 LW - Marco Reus (23) - £15m (Monchengladbach) CM – Nuri Sahin (24) – Loan (Previously promoted from youth squad) ST – Julian Schieber (23) - £5m (Stuttgart) Total cost of ~£47m for the starting 11 and subs bench. Couple of things that stand out straight away: Every player who made that Semi-Final Leg squad was bought under the age of 25. Just one player (Reus) was bought for over £6m. 3 youth team products in the team. 5 came from their version of the Championship. 4 came from "lesser leagues". Now of course these aren't all the transfers they did in each of those years. They did supplement with more experienced players during that time. There were failures too - No one gets it right 100% of the time. But there's plenty of useful information here. Should also be noted about Dortmund: Faced Bankrupcy in 04/05 Had their worst league position in 07/08 Klopp joined the next season from a team doing well in their version of the championship (2. Bundesliga) Now I'm not saying we're going to emulate the success of Dortmund anytime soon but they've laid a good roadmap for potential success: > Sign young, hungry players with the long term in mind.Have a core of the club's nationality. Don't be afraid to sign from the lower divisions or lesser continental leagues. Promote from the youth team.< Any of those last points sound familiar? Edited May 10, 2013 by Wes 29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa-revolution Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Did a little experiment with the Dortmund squad that won at home against Real Madrid 4-1. Due to the links between Lambert and that club, our similiar style of play to theirs, how popular they are at the moment (on this forum and in the media) and how often PL comments about them I wanted to see how they built the squad that played in that game to see if it gave any insight in to the kind of method we may employ in the future: 01/02 DM - Sebastien Kehl (21) - £3m (Freiburg) 02/03 GK - Weidenfeller (21) – Free (Kaiserslautern) 07/08 RW - Blaszyczykowski (21) - £3m (Krakow) 08/09 - Klopp's first season CB - Neven Subotic (19) - £4m (Mainz – 2. Bundesliga) DL - Marcel Schemlzer (20) – (Promoted from youth squad) CB – Felipe Santana (22) - £2m (Figueriense – Serie 09/10 CB - Mats Hummels (20) - £4m (Bayern) DM - Sven Bender (20) - £1.5m (1860 Munich – 2. Bundesliga) CM - Kevin Grosskreutz (20) – Free (Rot Weiss Ahlen – 2. Bundesliga) GK - Mitchell Langerak (21) - £0.5m (Melbourne Victory) 10/11 ST - Robert Lewandowski (21) - £4m (Poznan) AM – Mario Gotze (18) – (Promoted from youth squad) CM - Moritz Leitner (17) - £0.7m (1860 Munich – 2. Bundesliga) RB – Lukasz Piszczek (25) – Free (Hertha Berlin – 2. Bundesliga) 11/12 CM - lkay Gundogan (20) – £4m (Nuremberg) 12/13 LW - Marco Reus (23) - £15m (Monchengladbach) CM – Nuri Sahin (24) – Loan (Previously promoted from youth squad) ST – Julian Schieber (23) - £5m (Stuttgart) Total cost of ~£47m for the starting 11 and subs bench. Couple of things that stand out straight away: Every player who made that Semi-Final Leg squad was bought under the age of 25. Just one player (Reus) was bought for over £6m. 3 youth team products in the team. 5 came from their version of the Championship. 4 came from "lesser leagues". Now of course these aren't all the transfers they did in each of those years. They did supplement with more experienced players during that time. There were failures too - No one gets it right 100% of the time. But there's plenty of useful information here. Should also be noted about Dortmund: Faced Bankrupcy in 04/05 Had their worst league position in 07/08 Klopp joined the next season from a team doing well in their version of the championship (2. Bundesliga) Now I'm not saying we're going to emulate the success of Dortmund anytime soon but they've laid a good roadmap for potential success: > Sign young, hungry players with the long term in mind.Have a core of the club's nationality. Don't be afraid to sign from the lower divisions or lesser continental leagues. Promote from the youth team.< Any of those last points sound familiar? As always there's some quality research there Wes. Fancy a job scouting from B6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Did a little experiment with the Dortmund squad that won at home against Real Madrid 4-1. Due to the links between Lambert and that club, our similiar style of play to theirs, how popular they are at the moment (on this forum and in the media) and how often PL comments about them I wanted to see how they built the squad that played in that game to see if it gave any insight in to the kind of method we may employ in the future: 01/02 DM - Sebastien Kehl (21) - £3m (Freiburg) 02/03 GK - Weidenfeller (21) – Free (Kaiserslautern) 07/08 RW - Blaszyczykowski (21) - £3m (Krakow) 08/09 - Klopp's first season CB - Neven Subotic (19) - £4m (Mainz – 2. Bundesliga) DL - Marcel Schemlzer (20) – (Promoted from youth squad) CB – Felipe Santana (22) - £2m (Figueriense – Serie 09/10 CB - Mats Hummels (20) - £4m (Bayern) DM - Sven Bender (20) - £1.5m (1860 Munich – 2. Bundesliga) CM - Kevin Grosskreutz (20) – Free (Rot Weiss Ahlen – 2. Bundesliga) GK - Mitchell Langerak (21) - £0.5m (Melbourne Victory) 10/11 ST - Robert Lewandowski (21) - £4m (Poznan) AM – Mario Gotze (18) – (Promoted from youth squad) CM - Moritz Leitner (17) - £0.7m (1860 Munich – 2. Bundesliga) RB – Lukasz Piszczek (25) – Free (Hertha Berlin – 2. Bundesliga) 11/12 CM - lkay Gundogan (20) – £4m (Nuremberg) 12/13 LW - Marco Reus (23) - £15m (Monchengladbach) CM – Nuri Sahin (24) – Loan (Previously promoted from youth squad) ST – Julian Schieber (23) - £5m (Stuttgart) Total cost of ~£47m for the starting 11 and subs bench. Couple of things that stand out straight away: Every player who made that Semi-Final Leg squad was bought under the age of 25. Just one player (Reus) was bought for over £6m. 3 youth team products in the team. 5 came from their version of the Championship. 4 came from "lesser leagues". Now of course these aren't all the transfers they did in each of those years. They did supplement with more experienced players during that time. There were failures too - No one gets it right 100% of the time. But there's plenty of useful information here. Should also be noted about Dortmund: Faced Bankrupcy in 04/05 Had their worst league position in 07/08 Klopp joined the next season from a team doing well in their version of the championship (2. Bundesliga) Now I'm not saying we're going to emulate the success of Dortmund anytime soon but they've laid a good roadmap for potential success: > Sign young, hungry players with the long term in mind.Have a core of the club's nationality. Don't be afraid to sign from the lower divisions or lesser continental leagues. Promote from the youth team.< Any of those last points sound familiar? Best post on here in a while, good read cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biskitt Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Excellent post Wes. For a club like us to try and compete, that's the type of model we need to follow. Jesus, some unbelievable value for money signings there for Dortmund ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwan Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Did a little experiment with the Dortmund squad that won at home against Real Madrid 4-1. Due to the links between Lambert and that club, our similiar style of play to theirs, how popular they are at the moment (on this forum and in the media) and how often PL comments about them I wanted to see how they built the squad that played in that game to see if it gave any insight in to the kind of method we may employ in the future: 01/02 DM - Sebastien Kehl (21) - £3m (Freiburg) 02/03 GK - Weidenfeller (21) – Free (Kaiserslautern) 07/08 RW - Blaszyczykowski (21) - £3m (Krakow) 08/09 - Klopp's first season CB - Neven Subotic (19) - £4m (Mainz – 2. Bundesliga) DL - Marcel Schemlzer (20) – (Promoted from youth squad) CB – Felipe Santana (22) - £2m (Figueriense – Serie 09/10 CB - Mats Hummels (20) - £4m (Bayern) DM - Sven Bender (20) - £1.5m (1860 Munich – 2. Bundesliga) CM - Kevin Grosskreutz (20) – Free (Rot Weiss Ahlen – 2. Bundesliga) GK - Mitchell Langerak (21) - £0.5m (Melbourne Victory) 10/11 ST - Robert Lewandowski (21) - £4m (Poznan) AM – Mario Gotze (18) – (Promoted from youth squad) CM - Moritz Leitner (17) - £0.7m (1860 Munich – 2. Bundesliga) RB – Lukasz Piszczek (25) – Free (Hertha Berlin – 2. Bundesliga) 11/12 CM - lkay Gundogan (20) – £4m (Nuremberg) 12/13 LW - Marco Reus (23) - £15m (Monchengladbach) CM – Nuri Sahin (24) – Loan (Previously promoted from youth squad) ST – Julian Schieber (23) - £5m (Stuttgart) Total cost of ~£47m for the starting 11 and subs bench. Couple of things that stand out straight away: Every player who made that Semi-Final Leg squad was bought under the age of 25. Just one player (Reus) was bought for over £6m. 3 youth team products in the team. 5 came from their version of the Championship. 4 came from "lesser leagues". Now of course these aren't all the transfers they did in each of those years. They did supplement with more experienced players during that time. There were failures too - No one gets it right 100% of the time. But there's plenty of useful information here. Should also be noted about Dortmund: Faced Bankrupcy in 04/05 Had their worst league position in 07/08 Klopp joined the next season from a team doing well in their version of the championship (2. Bundesliga) Now I'm not saying we're going to emulate the success of Dortmund anytime soon but they've laid a good roadmap for potential success: > Sign young, hungry players with the long term in mind.Have a core of the club's nationality. Don't be afraid to sign from the lower divisions or lesser continental leagues. Promote from the youth team.< Any of those last points sound familiar? Excellent post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandaq Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Nice post indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 I agree that Lambert is definitely using Dortmund as the model for us to follow. We play with similar tactics although I think we're definitely in need of a Gotze type player, somebody who plays key passes from behind Benteke as well as running in between the frontline trio. Shame that N'Zogbia couldn't be this person, hopefully we pick somebody up this window though. Great post RE: Dortmund though mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 As always there's some quality research there Wes. Fancy a job scouting from B6? Sure, if they have an analytics department Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Did a little experiment with the Dortmund squad that won at home against Real Madrid 4-1. Due to the links between Lambert and that club, our similiar style of play to theirs, how popular they are at the moment (on this forum and in the media) and how often PL comments about them I wanted to see how they built the squad that played in that game to see if it gave any insight in to the kind of method we may employ in the future: 01/02 DM - Sebastien Kehl (21) - £3m (Freiburg) 02/03 GK - Weidenfeller (21) – Free (Kaiserslautern) 07/08 RW - Blaszyczykowski (21) - £3m (Krakow) 08/09 - Klopp's first season CB - Neven Subotic (19) - £4m (Mainz – 2. Bundesliga) DL - Marcel Schemlzer (20) – (Promoted from youth squad) CB – Felipe Santana (22) - £2m (Figueriense – Serie 09/10 CB - Mats Hummels (20) - £4m (Bayern) DM - Sven Bender (20) - £1.5m (1860 Munich – 2. Bundesliga) CM - Kevin Grosskreutz (20) – Free (Rot Weiss Ahlen – 2. Bundesliga) GK - Mitchell Langerak (21) - £0.5m (Melbourne Victory) 10/11 ST - Robert Lewandowski (21) - £4m (Poznan) AM – Mario Gotze (18) – (Promoted from youth squad) CM - Moritz Leitner (17) - £0.7m (1860 Munich – 2. Bundesliga) RB – Lukasz Piszczek (25) – Free (Hertha Berlin – 2. Bundesliga) 11/12 CM - lkay Gundogan (20) – £4m (Nuremberg) 12/13 LW - Marco Reus (23) - £15m (Monchengladbach) CM – Nuri Sahin (24) – Loan (Previously promoted from youth squad) ST – Julian Schieber (23) - £5m (Stuttgart) Total cost of ~£47m for the starting 11 and subs bench. Couple of things that stand out straight away: Every player who made that Semi-Final Leg squad was bought under the age of 25. Just one player (Reus) was bought for over £6m. 3 youth team products in the team. 5 came from their version of the Championship. 4 came from "lesser leagues". Now of course these aren't all the transfers they did in each of those years. They did supplement with more experienced players during that time. There were failures too - No one gets it right 100% of the time. But there's plenty of useful information here. Should also be noted about Dortmund: Faced Bankrupcy in 04/05 Had their worst league position in 07/08 Klopp joined the next season from a team doing well in their version of the championship (2. Bundesliga) Now I'm not saying we're going to emulate the success of Dortmund anytime soon but they've laid a good roadmap for potential success: > Sign young, hungry players with the long term in mind.Have a core of the club's nationality. Don't be afraid to sign from the lower divisions or lesser continental leagues. Promote from the youth team.< Any of those last points sound familiar? That made me giddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 (edited) Can't remember what the German word is for the style of play.... Very good though. Loving Dortmund's style and would love it if we adopted it properly. Also good evidence that age really doesn't matter just so long as you have a collection of the right players doing what you have asked them to do. Edited May 10, 2013 by Tayls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnbull Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Yes we just have a small matter of us having one of the worst defences in the country which needs to be rectified asap Hah, defence is for squares, all the hipsters want is attack, attack, attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnbull Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 (edited) Did a little experiment with the Dortmund squad that won at home against Real Madrid 4-1. Due to the links between Lambert and that club, our similiar style of play to theirs, how popular they are at the moment (on this forum and in the media) and how often PL comments about them I wanted to see how they built the squad that played in that game to see if it gave any insight in to the kind of method we may employ in the future: 01/02 DM - Sebastien Kehl (21) - £3m (Freiburg) 02/03 GK - Weidenfeller (21) – Free (Kaiserslautern) 07/08 RW - Blaszyczykowski (21) - £3m (Krakow) 08/09 - Klopp's first season CB - Neven Subotic (19) - £4m (Mainz – 2. Bundesliga) DL - Marcel Schemlzer (20) – (Promoted from youth squad) CB – Felipe Santana (22) - £2m (Figueriense – Serie B ) 09/10 CB - Mats Hummels (20) - £4m (Bayern) DM - Sven Bender (20) - £1.5m (1860 Munich – 2. Bundesliga) CM - Kevin Grosskreutz (20) – Free (Rot Weiss Ahlen – 2. Bundesliga) GK - Mitchell Langerak (21) - £0.5m (Melbourne Victory) 10/11 ST - Robert Lewandowski (21) - £4m (Poznan) AM – Mario Gotze (18) – (Promoted from youth squad) CM - Moritz Leitner (17) - £0.7m (1860 Munich – 2. Bundesliga) RB – Lukasz Piszczek (25) – Free (Hertha Berlin – 2. Bundesliga) 11/12 CM - lkay Gundogan (20) – £4m (Nuremberg) 12/13 LW - Marco Reus (23) - £15m (Monchengladbach) CM – Nuri Sahin (24) – Loan (Previously promoted from youth squad) ST – Julian Schieber (23) - £5m (Stuttgart) Total cost of ~£47m for the starting 11 and subs bench. Couple of things that stand out straight away: Every player who made that Semi-Final Leg squad was bought under the age of 25. Just one player (Reus) was bought for over £6m. 3 youth team products in the team. 5 came from their version of the Championship. 4 came from "lesser leagues". Now of course these aren't all the transfers they did in each of those years. They did supplement with more experienced players during that time. There were failures too - No one gets it right 100% of the time. But there's plenty of useful information here. Should also be noted about Dortmund: Faced Bankrupcy in 04/05 Had their worst league position in 07/08 Klopp joined the next season from a team doing well in their version of the championship (2. Bundesliga) Now I'm not saying we're going to emulate the success of Dortmund anytime soon but they've laid a good roadmap for potential success: > Sign young, hungry players with the long term in mind.Have a core of the club's nationality. Don't be afraid to sign from the lower divisions or lesser continental leagues. Promote from the youth team.< Any of those last points sound familiar? Possibly the best post I've read in my year on this forum nice one. If that policy could work in the Prem, then I think Lambo could be on to a winner here and how much more satisfying would it be to be succesful this way rather than a billionaire owner chucking money at it? it would be truly wonderful. Edited May 10, 2013 by turnbull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa-revolution Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Did a little experiment with the Dortmund squad that won at home against Real Madrid 4-1. Due to the links between Lambert and that club, our similiar style of play to theirs, how popular they are at the moment (on this forum and in the media) and how often PL comments about them I wanted to see how they built the squad that played in that game to see if it gave any insight in to the kind of method we may employ in the future: 01/02 DM - Sebastien Kehl (21) - £3m (Freiburg) 02/03 GK - Weidenfeller (21) – Free (Kaiserslautern) 07/08 RW - Blaszyczykowski (21) - £3m (Krakow) 08/09 - Klopp's first season CB - Neven Subotic (19) - £4m (Mainz – 2. Bundesliga) DL - Marcel Schemlzer (20) – (Promoted from youth squad) CB – Felipe Santana (22) - £2m (Figueriense – Serie B ) 09/10 CB - Mats Hummels (20) - £4m (Bayern) DM - Sven Bender (20) - £1.5m (1860 Munich – 2. Bundesliga) CM - Kevin Grosskreutz (20) – Free (Rot Weiss Ahlen – 2. Bundesliga) GK - Mitchell Langerak (21) - £0.5m (Melbourne Victory) 10/11 ST - Robert Lewandowski (21) - £4m (Poznan) AM – Mario Gotze (18) – (Promoted from youth squad) CM - Moritz Leitner (17) - £0.7m (1860 Munich – 2. Bundesliga) RB – Lukasz Piszczek (25) – Free (Hertha Berlin – 2. Bundesliga) 11/12 CM - lkay Gundogan (20) – £4m (Nuremberg) 12/13 LW - Marco Reus (23) - £15m (Monchengladbach) CM – Nuri Sahin (24) – Loan (Previously promoted from youth squad) ST – Julian Schieber (23) - £5m (Stuttgart) Total cost of ~£47m for the starting 11 and subs bench. Couple of things that stand out straight away: Every player who made that Semi-Final Leg squad was bought under the age of 25. Just one player (Reus) was bought for over £6m. 3 youth team products in the team. 5 came from their version of the Championship. 4 came from "lesser leagues". Now of course these aren't all the transfers they did in each of those years. They did supplement with more experienced players during that time. There were failures too - No one gets it right 100% of the time. But there's plenty of useful information here. Should also be noted about Dortmund: Faced Bankrupcy in 04/05 Had their worst league position in 07/08 Klopp joined the next season from a team doing well in their version of the championship (2. Bundesliga) Now I'm not saying we're going to emulate the success of Dortmund anytime soon but they've laid a good roadmap for potential success: > Sign young, hungry players with the long term in mind.Have a core of the club's nationality. Don't be afraid to sign from the lower divisions or lesser continental leagues. Promote from the youth team.< Any of those last points sound familiar? Possibly the best post I've read in my year on this forum nice one. If that policy could work in the Prem, then I think Lambo could be on to a winner here and how much more satisfying would it be to be succesful this way rather than a billionaire owner chucking money at it? it would be truly wonderful. Post of the year followed by post of the year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skruff Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 id still like us to sign adboulaye ba, whos going to mess with a 6ft 6 giant, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbcuk Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Did a little experiment with the Dortmund squad that won at home against Real Madrid 4-1. Due to the links between Lambert and that club, our similiar style of play to theirs, how popular they are at the moment (on this forum and in the media) and how often PL comments about them I wanted to see how they built the squad that played in that game to see if it gave any insight in to the kind of method we may employ in the future: 01/02 DM - Sebastien Kehl (21) - £3m (Freiburg) 02/03 GK - Weidenfeller (21) – Free (Kaiserslautern) 07/08 RW - Blaszyczykowski (21) - £3m (Krakow) 08/09 - Klopp's first season CB - Neven Subotic (19) - £4m (Mainz – 2. Bundesliga) DL - Marcel Schemlzer (20) – (Promoted from youth squad) CB – Felipe Santana (22) - £2m (Figueriense – Serie B ) 09/10 CB - Mats Hummels (20) - £4m (Bayern) DM - Sven Bender (20) - £1.5m (1860 Munich – 2. Bundesliga) CM - Kevin Grosskreutz (20) – Free (Rot Weiss Ahlen – 2. Bundesliga) GK - Mitchell Langerak (21) - £0.5m (Melbourne Victory) 10/11 ST - Robert Lewandowski (21) - £4m (Poznan) AM – Mario Gotze (18) – (Promoted from youth squad) CM - Moritz Leitner (17) - £0.7m (1860 Munich – 2. Bundesliga) RB – Lukasz Piszczek (25) – Free (Hertha Berlin – 2. Bundesliga) 11/12 CM - lkay Gundogan (20) – £4m (Nuremberg) 12/13 LW - Marco Reus (23) - £15m (Monchengladbach) CM – Nuri Sahin (24) – Loan (Previously promoted from youth squad) ST – Julian Schieber (23) - £5m (Stuttgart) Total cost of ~£47m for the starting 11 and subs bench. Couple of things that stand out straight away: Every player who made that Semi-Final Leg squad was bought under the age of 25. Just one player (Reus) was bought for over £6m. 3 youth team products in the team. 5 came from their version of the Championship. 4 came from "lesser leagues". Now of course these aren't all the transfers they did in each of those years. They did supplement with more experienced players during that time. There were failures too - No one gets it right 100% of the time. But there's plenty of useful information here. Should also be noted about Dortmund: Faced Bankrupcy in 04/05 Had their worst league position in 07/08 Klopp joined the next season from a team doing well in their version of the championship (2. Bundesliga) Now I'm not saying we're going to emulate the success of Dortmund anytime soon but they've laid a good roadmap for potential success: > Sign young, hungry players with the long term in mind.Have a core of the club's nationality. Don't be afraid to sign from the lower divisions or lesser continental leagues. Promote from the youth team.< Any of those last points sound familiar? Never knew they got hummels from munich, just shows you with a good scouting network you can pick up these kind of players before they become well known and overpriced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa-revolution Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 id still like us to sign adboulaye ba, whos going to mess with a 6ft 6 giant, lol Don't fancy the other 10 much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Did a little experiment with the Dortmund squad that won at home against Real Madrid 4-1. Due to the links between Lambert and that club, our similiar style of play to theirs, how popular they are at the moment (on this forum and in the media) and how often PL comments about them I wanted to see how they built the squad that played in that game to see if it gave any insight in to the kind of method we may employ in the future: 01/02 DM - Sebastien Kehl (21) - £3m (Freiburg) 02/03 GK - Weidenfeller (21) – Free (Kaiserslautern) 07/08 RW - Blaszyczykowski (21) - £3m (Krakow) 08/09 - Klopp's first season CB - Neven Subotic (19) - £4m (Mainz – 2. Bundesliga) DL - Marcel Schemlzer (20) – (Promoted from youth squad) CB – Felipe Santana (22) - £2m (Figueriense – Serie B ) 09/10 CB - Mats Hummels (20) - £4m (Bayern) DM - Sven Bender (20) - £1.5m (1860 Munich – 2. Bundesliga) CM - Kevin Grosskreutz (20) – Free (Rot Weiss Ahlen – 2. Bundesliga) GK - Mitchell Langerak (21) - £0.5m (Melbourne Victory) 10/11 ST - Robert Lewandowski (21) - £4m (Poznan) AM – Mario Gotze (18) – (Promoted from youth squad) CM - Moritz Leitner (17) - £0.7m (1860 Munich – 2. Bundesliga) RB – Lukasz Piszczek (25) – Free (Hertha Berlin – 2. Bundesliga) 11/12 CM - lkay Gundogan (20) – £4m (Nuremberg) 12/13 LW - Marco Reus (23) - £15m (Monchengladbach) CM – Nuri Sahin (24) – Loan (Previously promoted from youth squad) ST – Julian Schieber (23) - £5m (Stuttgart) Total cost of ~£47m for the starting 11 and subs bench. Couple of things that stand out straight away: Every player who made that Semi-Final Leg squad was bought under the age of 25. Just one player (Reus) was bought for over £6m. 3 youth team products in the team. 5 came from their version of the Championship. 4 came from "lesser leagues". Now of course these aren't all the transfers they did in each of those years. They did supplement with more experienced players during that time. There were failures too - No one gets it right 100% of the time. But there's plenty of useful information here. Should also be noted about Dortmund: Faced Bankrupcy in 04/05 Had their worst league position in 07/08 Klopp joined the next season from a team doing well in their version of the championship (2. Bundesliga) Now I'm not saying we're going to emulate the success of Dortmund anytime soon but they've laid a good roadmap for potential success: > Sign young, hungry players with the long term in mind.Have a core of the club's nationality. Don't be afraid to sign from the lower divisions or lesser continental leagues. Promote from the youth team.< Any of those last points sound familiar? Top post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 everyone keeps saying a CAM is needed but the last 10 weeks we dont have any problems creating chances or scoring goals. Our big problem is defending and losing the midfield battle. DM is still needed. Delph and Sylla are good but we need a DM that can have both of their attributes as they are not the complete DM (yet). Need a left back and a CB before we need a CAM. CAM and then a back up striker/striker to compete with the other 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Hope we try for Callum McManaman if and when Wigan are relegated. Been really good during the second half of the season and shohld fit the Lambert profile of young, english and playing in a miserable team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeps Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 A lot of this summer, for me, is keeping Benteke and Andi. The idea of them leaving scares me! Still think lescott is the answer for the CB place. Can't see Everton in for him now moyes is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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