Lerner's Driver Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 A shoestring?! Did you see how much money we spent this summer? Lambert had sod all in comparison. It was a lot of money, but still only a shoestring because you can't buy a whole team for tuppence. Debatable whether we had to buy a whole team I suppose, but I rather think we did and as has been said a few times now, money is not our main problem at this particular moment in time - the manager is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 14, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted October 14, 2015 A shoestring?! Did you see how much money we spent this summer? Lambert had sod all in comparison. YEAH BUT NET SPEND!!!!11!!!1!!1!!!!1111 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 A shoestring?! Did you see how much money we spent this summer? Lambert had sod all in comparison. YEAH BUT NET SPEND!!!!11!!!1!!1!!!!1111Net spend is a fair point. However I don't think he has spent that money very well, IMO he has large wasted the proceeds of the Benteke and Delph sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 14, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted October 14, 2015 A shoestring?! Did you see how much money we spent this summer? Lambert had sod all in comparison. YEAH BUT NET SPEND!!!!11!!!1!!1!!!!1111 Net spend is a fair point. However I don't think he has spent that money very well, IMO he has large wasted the proceeds of the Benteke and Delph sales.Net Spend is useful in certain scenarios.But it can be so easily manipulated. Sherwood has spent 50 odd million this summer. Just because that nets off at not very much doesn't excuse him.If we sold Grealish for 100 million in January and Sherwood reinvested every penny of that, and we were still shite, then it wouldn't excuse him because our net spend was zero. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dounavilla Posted October 14, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2015 I firmly believe it's not the signings that are the problem, in fact I'd say it was a superb summer. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StanBalaban Posted October 14, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2015 Get Frank De Boer in, he'll learn the players how to play total football Ajax of the 90's Style. He will teach, they will learn....sorry for being pedantic.....just trying to help. there's nothing worse than a pedent I reckon AIDS is up there, if honest. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 We may have spent £50m but we lost £50m of talent too. Obviously it varies with each situation but I think net spend is relevant here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I firmly believe it's not the signings that are the problem, in fact I'd say it was a superb summer.Sherwood is the problem, he's useless, and since he has admitted that they aren't his signings then it's clear that he has absolutely no redeeming qualities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I've got to assume that Fox is contacting potential replacements behind the scenes? We're not going to get anything against Chelski, so it will be interesting to see what happens if we somehow manage a win against Swansea.Would that still save Sherwood or are wheels already in motion?Rodgers probably just wants to finish his holiday before getting started Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyh Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 The net spend issue is a complete red herring.Its only the moneymen - Lerner and Fox who should be concerned about the totals folowing sales (net).As far as Sherwood is concerned he has spent circa £50m - or whatever the number is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 14, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted October 14, 2015 We may have spent £50m but we lost £50m of talent too. Obviously it varies with each situation but I think net spend is relevant here.We lost two key players. Net spend is massively skewed when you get huge fees for one or two players. £32.5 million for one player means our low net spend this summer is very misleading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Net Spend is only a red herring if you sell a player for over the odds like Bale. IMO Benteke was worth £32.5m to our team as he was so important to us. I actually think we have spent fairly well and have a good squad for the medium to long term. The issue is we lack a proven striker to bring it all together and now we have a manager who has run out of ideas and confidence to pick the right team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rubberman Posted October 14, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2015 Gross spend, net spend - whatever. The squad we have is better than bottom 3. It's better than drawing with Sunderland, losing to Stoke and the Baggies. It's the manager who is not getting the best out of them. End of. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 What scares me is, if Tim is so "confused" in what to do then just goes to the squad and says, "ok, you, you & you, go for it. And we win the next 2 games giving him a stay of execution.how long before he returns to type with strange formations, selections & substitutes?we'll drop down the table, he'll have his moments again , rinse and repeat, one day it'll be too late. Relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danceoftheshamen Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 The net spend isn't relevant as such but i think it's crazy to say he "had 50m to spend" as though had it to spend to improve the team we ended last season with as that wasn't quite the case was it!From the struggling team he inherited he lost Benteke, Delph, Cleverley, Vlaar and Given. Those were the best players at this club!! On top of that he had to try to actually improve on the team from last season and had correctly identified that others were not good enough so those also had to go or be omitted, players such as Nzogbia, Baker, Senderos, Bent, Weimann, Kozack etc etc Lets not forget that but for Sherwoods arrival and the bounce it created we would surely have now been a Championship side.. We survived by the skin of our teeth.50m was nowhere near enough for such major surgery as we are now finding out. We needed to spend that just to replace Benteke, Vlaar, Cleverley & Delph! As it is i think we have just about replaced:Delph (Gana)Vlaar (Richards)Weimann (Ayew)Given ??????Benteke ???????????????????Bent ?????Kozack (Gestede)Cleverley ?????Nzogbia (Traore)So for me with the 50m those departures generated, we have not even adequately replaced Benteke, Given, Cleverley or Senderos or even Bent for that matter who had goals in him!The lack of actual investment by the wantaway owner is crippling the club and will likely see us relegated and deservedly so...keep playing with fire & all that! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberman Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Nzogbia's still here.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 14, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted October 14, 2015 £50m was plenty to keep the team in the league.Sherwood isn't doing that.If £50m wasn't enough then what was? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danceoftheshamen Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) I don't think it was personally Stevo but each to their own! For me we needed another 20 to 30m spent to replace Benteke, Bent and Given, then with all the extra's like Veretout, Crespo & the likes of Grealish maturing it should have been enough to see us climb the table... that 20 to 30m is what the owner should have added to the pot from the overall turnover or wads of TV cash... didn't even need to dip into his own pocket.Nzogbia is still here yes Rubberman but surely Traore was his replacement though sadly got injured against Notts County and also has no Prem experience which Nzog has in abundance (Not that it shows). I can't wait to see Traore he's a modern day Tony Morley from what i saw against Notts County but fact is he's not playing at the mo!Still the fact remains we have not replaced all of those key players from last season despite spending the 50m they generated and the glaring omission in all that is we have not replaced the main one of all...Benteke! I know there was a plan to bring in Adebayor but it didn't come off and was frankly never likely to as the guy appears to want to stay in Landon. Edited October 14, 2015 by danceoftheshamen spelling error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 14, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted October 14, 2015 I don't think it was personally Stevo but each to their own! For me we needed another 20 to 30m spent to replace Benteke, Bent and Given, then with all the extra's like Veretout, Crespo & the likes of Grealish maturing it should have been enough to see us climb the table... that 20 to 30m is what the owner should have added to the pot from the overall turnover or wads of TV cash... didn't even need to dip into his own pocket.Nzogbia is still here yes Rubberman but surely Traore was his replacement though sadly got injured against Notts County and also has no Prem experience which Nzog has in abundance (Not that it shows). I can't wait to see Traore he's a modern day Tony Morley from what i saw against Notts County but fact is he's not playing at the mo!Still the fact remains we have not replaced all of those key players from last season despite spending the 50m they generated and the glaring omission in all that is we have not replaced the main one of all...Benteke! I know there was a plan to bring in Adebayor but it didn't come off and was frankly never likely to as the guys appears to want to stay in Landon. So you think a team that stayed up last season, needed to spend £80m just to stay up this season?Even losing the players we did, that's honestly completely absurd. That would have made us the 5th biggest spenders in the whole of Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 14, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted October 14, 2015 As for Benteke, Sherwood spent £15m of his 50m trying to replace him. if he's failed to do so then that's his fault. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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