Things that piss you off that shouldn't

[mjmooney]

4 minutes ago, bickster said:

As a complete aside, I probably own more records recorded by the musicians on White Lines than by any other artists, by a considerable distance. The Sugarhill Records house band shoud be talked about in the same tones as the MGs, Muscle Shoals and the Wrecking Crew

You're telling me they use actual musicians to produce that shite? 

**** me. 

[chrisp65]

I blame skiffle bands with their long hair and shirt collar buttons undone behind a poorly knotted tie.

All been down hill since then.

 

[mjmooney]

2 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

I blame skiffle bands with their long hair and shirt collar buttons undone behind a poorly knotted tie.

All been down hill since then.

 

tbf, 95% of skiffle was shite. Still better than hip hop, though. 

[tonyh29]

57 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

I should let you know right now, that Mister Dylan has engaged me as his defence counsel for his upcoming trial. I am fully confident that he will be cleared of all charges. 

Not if the July is selected from VT members and judge “Hang em high “Bickster is presiding  over matters

Edited December 29, 2020 by tonyh29

[blandy]

1 minute ago, mjmooney said:

tbf, 95% of skiffle was shite. Still better than hip hop, though. 

I’m not entirely sure I know what skiffle actually is. I sort of think it might be this kind of stuff? ( though obviously older)

 

[bickster]

5 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

You're telling me they use actual musicians to produce that shite? 

**** me. 

I'm not talking about all Hip Hop. I'm talking about the early Sugarhill output. They got their fingers burned over the samples used on Rapper's Delight after getting sued by Nile Rogers (Bassline from Chic's Good Times plus the scratching is the string arrangements from same tune). They used a house band after that, three of whom were Skip McDonals, Doug Wimbish and Keith LeBlanc who a few years later became the On-U Sound House band playing in such a wide variety of styles it beggars belief. I must have upwards of 50 different albums and singles of theirs

 

[bickster]

7 minutes ago, tonyh29 said:

Not if the July is selected from VT members and judge Hang em high Bickster presiding  over matters

Depends if Dylan dies this year, I may be lenient if he does

[chrisp65]

I think my first serious venture in to it was ‘White Lines’, I had a 1983 12” picture disc.

 

1983, I was still living with parents and this record ‘went missing’. 

My old man was very much the ageing white rocker and had strongly objected to me liking punk, then he’d objected to my liking scooters, then ska and suede head stuff, and so on.. I think Grandmaster Flash was pretty much the last straw for the old bugger.

(Narrator: the record was never found, but several weeks later, some of the old man’s records were put under the living room carpet in what some saw as an escalation of hostilities. Both sides later agreed to leave each other’s shit well alone.)

 

 

[blandy]

22 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

I think my first serious venture in to it was ‘White Lines’, I had a 1983 12” picture disc.

That record always takes me right back to the Shrewsbury Arms in Albrighton. As does Lovecats by the Cure. Like a time machine. Where did it all go?

[chrisp65]

1 minute ago, blandy said:

That record always takes me right back to the Shrewsbury Arms in Albrighton. As does Lovecats by the Cure. Like a time machine. Where did it all go?

The Cure, I really really didn’t get them. Positively disliked them.

Other than Lovecats and that one with days of the week in it, I don’t think I could name anything else by them.

Absolutely passed me by. Didn’t even get their album as some sort of honey trap (Depeche Mode and Wham for that purpose).

[mjmooney]

8 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

The Cure, I really really didn’t get them. Positively disliked them.

Other than Lovecats and that one with days of the week in it, I don’t think I could name anything else by them.

Absolutely passed me by. Didn’t even get their album as some sort of honey trap (Depeche Mode and Wham for that purpose).

We agree on something. 

[Mark Albrighton]

25 minutes ago, blandy said:

That record always takes me right back to the Shrewsbury Arms in Albrighton. As does Lovecats by the Cure. Like a time machine. Where did it all go?

Ah probably not the right thread, but this and other local anecdotes I’ve heard about the shrew really makes it sound like I missed out on the more halcyon (or maybe hedonistic) days of the pub by a few years.

[Risso]

2 hours ago, tonyh29 said:

Public Enemy supported the Stone Roses a few years back when I saw them in Manchester ... a few minutes was all @Risso and I needed before we decided it was time to visit the bar ...  

I was about 10  when Fatback band came along with the first rap and then sugar hill gang closely behind them , white lines was the best song ever for 13 year old me ... then I kinda fell out of love with that genre for whatever reason 

Yep, they weren't much cop I seem to recall.  Unlike Paul Heaton and Jacqui Abbott doing Caravan of Love, which was peerless and the best moment of the night.

[bickster]

1 hour ago, chrisp65 said:

The Cure, I really really didn’t get them. Positively disliked them.

Other than Lovecats and that one with days of the week in it, I don’t think I could name anything else by them.

Absolutely passed me by. Didn’t even get their album as some sort of honey trap (Depeche Mode and Wham for that purpose).

Quite revolutionary really, the run of three albums from Seventeen Seconds through Faith to Pornography have influenced so many styles of music popular to this day and their effect isn't stated as highly as it should be. There's even an argument to say that Seventeen Seconds and Faith set the wheels in motion for that whole Post-Rock thing, there are large elements of that in some of the tunes.

I kind of started to lose interest a bit after Pornography but I still rate the Pornography Tour gig at the Birmingham Odeon as one of my favourite pre-Liverpool gigs. The band hated them by all accounts, they weren't having a great time but that tension between the members just added to it for me.

[villa4europe]

On 29/12/2020 at 17:16, sharkyvilla said:

This is probably a huge generalisation but it seems the early days of hip hop were full of blokes with something worthy to say, full of social commentary.  Then you compare it to that scissors abortion of a tune that Kortney Hause was on and got posted in his thread, I mean that is an absolute disgrace, if I'm being honest I'm surprised more hasn't been made of it in the past.  I realise there are still rap artists out there with a proper message but I still think there is a catchiness to the old school tunes that is missing now so it's a massive turn off for me.

See I'm now going the other way

Who's more likely to create a song about the world we currently live in the 1975 or kano? Blossoms or Dave? 

Guitar music has lost the plot as imo it's gone increasingly middle class, its dull as dishwater which is why there's still a huge following for LAD bands such as Liam Gallagher and the courteeners who are putting on shows as big as anyone (Liam I get, the courteeners I still don't, awful band) 

Mainstream grime is better than mainstream guitar music 

My issue with hip hop is I can't go back too far as its sounds incredibly dated, I struggle with PE, Run DMC, LLCJ and even some Wu Tang and beastie boys, I can start around nas 

[mjmooney]

Being serious for a minute, it is an age thing. If your ears are tuned in to a particular genre, and you like the general style, then you can hear - and appreciate - all the various developments, sub-styles and nuances. If you don't like it to start with, then the familiar parent mantra applies: It All Sounds The Same. I was a teenager in the 1960s, and I thought I had pretty broad tastes. But if I played my parents a range as wide as (let's say) Dylan, The Beatles, Hendrix, Buddy Holly, Captain Beefheart, B. B. King, The Grateful Dead, Otis Redding, Led Zeppelin and The Supremes, they'd say "But... It All Sounds The Same". And to them, it sort of did - in that it was all different to the pre-war crooning stuff that they'd grown up with - broadly, it all featured amplified guitars, drums, and a newer approach to singing. All the same, see? I didn't get it then, but I do now. 

The first rap record I remember was that Grandmaster Flash thing in the early 80s - Don't Push Me Cos I'm Cutting the Hedge, or whatever it was called. It was definitely something new, and I knew immediately that I disliked it. Now play that back-to-back with some of the contemporary hip hop that you guys have been referencing in this thread, and you'll tell me that there is a universe of difference. And, I can obviously see that you have a point, but... as far as I'm concerned, in some essential way... It All Sounds The Same. And it's never going to 'click'. It doesn't really matter, we've all got a plethora™ of music to enjoy. 

(There is a slightly different phenomenon, which I call "I Thought I Liked This Genre, But They've Taken It Too Far", but that's for another discussion).  

Edited December 31, 2020 by mjmooney

[chrisp65]

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“This is a beautiful day… It is a new day… We are together, we are unified… and all in accord… Because together we got power… ” “Today on this program you will hear gospel, and rhythm and blues, and jazz. All those are just labels. We know that music is music”

Jesse Jackson

Watts, L.A.,

1972

 

[Seat68]

55 minutes ago, villa4europe said:

See I'm now going the other way

Who's more likely to create a song about the world we currently live in the 1975 or kano? Blossoms or Dave? 

Guitar music has lost the plot as imo it's gone increasingly middle class, its dull as dishwater which is why there's still a huge following for LAD bands such as Liam Gallagher and the courteeners who are putting on shows as big as anyone (Liam I get, the courteeners I still don't, awful band) 

Mainstream grime is better than mainstream guitar music 

My issue with hip hop is I can't go back too far as its sounds incredibly dated, I struggle with PE, Run DMC, LLCJ and even some Wu Tang and beastie boys, I can start around nas 

I was with you till the end so half a like. 

[Seat68]

The UK honours system and people being honoured for doing their **** job. 

[rjw63]

18 minutes ago, Seat68 said:

The UK honours system and people being honoured for doing their **** job. 

Exactly what my missus said last night after she saw Sir Tax Dodger got his for driving a car