chrisp65 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Coda, I left out the Greens deliberately! But it was to wind up Bickster, not you. So apologies. Feel free to vote green, you spoilt, feckless, pale skinned, selfish, pot smoking child of the privileged middle classes who lives walking distance from a subsidised train station and only ever needs to go to meetings walking distance from subsidised train stations and likes having the lights on at night but doesn't like coal, or oil, or gas, or nuclear, or shale, or wood chip .... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I was going to like this post but you left out the Greens. Who have just surged past the Lib Dems as well as UKIP in terms of membership 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 (edited) My parents are always trying to get me to vote for UKIP. Pretty much every time I see them one of them will mention it. They've even asked if they can "have" my vote, as I don't vote. I don't believe i'm smart enough to fully understand the pro's and con's of each parties policies so I just don't vote for any of them, Nor do I have the desire to try and understand it all. Vote for Policies Complete our unique survey based on policies alone to find out who to vote for at the next UK election - the results might just surprise you! Vote for Policies was created for the 2010 UK general election. We'll be updating the policies and parties (including the main parties from Scotland, Wales and N.Ireland) early in 2015. I haven't tried this site myself yet but it might point you in the right left direction. Edited January 16, 2015 by coda 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 'vote for policies' only appears to be relevant to england, unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 How I see the stereotype for laughs: yes, I long for the days of people smoking fags in a northern social club with cheap beer, the 70s, Gene Hunt, Ford, free overspending healthcare, industry, cancer, naivety, over-consumption - vote Labour no, I think I've got a better chance than everyone else in a free-for-all, I'm quite happy to see the less fortunate die in the gutter, get out of my way I've got a beggar to beat - vote Tory really no, I'm scared by anyone slightly different to me - vote UKIP I see balance and the middle ground as probably the best thing, I want my cake and eat it, I'm a bit undecided, someone please make a decision for me - vote Lib dem I'd like to see a few more modern, forward thinking, slightly experimental policies put into place that will actually cause chaos and the whole country to grind to a halt, but at least it's a shake up - vote Green My parents are always trying to get me to vote for UKIP. Pretty much every time I see them one of them will mention it. They've even asked if they can "have" my vote, as I don't vote. I don't believe i'm smart enough to fully understand the pro's and con's of each parties policies so I just don't vote for any of them, Nor do I have the desire to try and understand it all. Vote for Policies Complete our unique survey based on policies alone to find out who to vote for at the next UK election - the results might just surprise you! Vote for Policies was created for the 2010 UK general election. We'll be updating the policies and parties (including the main parties from Scotland, Wales and N.Ireland) early in 2015. I haven't tried this site myself yet but it might point you in the right left direction. I think that most rational people always got lib dem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 My parents are always trying to get me to vote for UKIP. Pretty much every time I see them one of them will mention it. They've even asked if they can "have" my vote, as I don't vote. I don't believe i'm smart enough to fully understand the pro's and con's of each parties policies so I just don't vote for any of them, Nor do I have the desire to try and understand it all. Vote for Policies Complete our unique survey based on policies alone to find out who to vote for at the next UK election - the results might just surprise you! Vote for Policies was created for the 2010 UK general election. We'll be updating the policies and parties (including the main parties from Scotland, Wales and N.Ireland) early in 2015. I haven't tried this site myself yet but it might point you in the right left direction. the Greens are the clear winners on the surveys taken so far ..so that either suggests they have some great policies or that Peterms and Jon have taken the survey about 50,000 times each I think i did this the other year and came out 25% Tory , 25% labour, 25% lib dem and 25% Ukip ... true fence sitter me ( but that may haver been another of these voting type web sites) I'm going in will report back shortly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 So, as I said previously, if they're all so similar in terms of policies - just go for your favourite figurehead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted January 16, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted January 16, 2015 So, as I said previously, if they're all so similar in terms of policies - just go for your favourite figurehead And if you don't like any of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted January 16, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted January 16, 2015 My daughter is a potential ukip voter, she is absolutely against immigration, because, you know, foreigners. It is however over my dead body so she may be swayed towards tory, we said let me know about your sweet life under the current government, she is thinking of not voting now. Would you really influence your daughters voting habits ? I couldn't tell you the voting habits of any of my family , and whilst at 10 my son is a bit young to vote I don't think I'd be trying to influence him ,not that he'd listen anyway , he's got my stubborn genes in him I don't see how any parent could not influence their kids' voting habits - one way or the other. Not in terms of telling them who to vote for, but by talking about political issues and the way we see the world. It's part of their education. As it turns out, both my daughters are socially aware and motivated - and have ended up in much the same place as me - they despise the Tories and UKIP, hearts say Green, heads say Labour. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 My daughter is a potential ukip voter, she is absolutely against immigration, because, you know, foreigners. It is however over my dead body so she may be swayed towards tory, we said let me know about your sweet life under the current government, she is thinking of not voting now. Would you really influence your daughters voting habits ? I couldn't tell you the voting habits of any of my family , and whilst at 10 my son is a bit young to vote I don't think I'd be trying to influence him ,not that he'd listen anyway , he's got my stubborn genes in him I don't see how any parent could not influence their kids' voting habits - one way or the other. Not in terms of telling them who to vote for, but by talking about political issues and the way we see the world. It's part of their education. As it turns out, both my daughters are socially aware and motivated - and have ended up in much the same place as me - they despise the Tories and UKIP, hearts say Green, heads say Labour. well yes , even a comment when an MP comes on the TV is going to influence ... I took Seat to be more along the lines of actually directly telling his daughter how to vote ...which is slightly different clearly we are going to differ on the despise Tories line ..... as I don't think being socially aware bares any impact on how you vote ..I'm also socially aware , I wont bore people with my deeds but just say that I do things to try and make a difference .. but I sway toward the Tories ... the stereotype just annoys me .. I've met lovely people ( and a few not so lovely) from all walks of life and voting intentions... tbh I'm not sure I believe you for one second that just being a Tory would qualify me to be automatically despised by your daughters ( lots of other reasons might , but not just that) .. we've never met but we've been members of this forum long enough to form a reasonable opinion and .. well , you don't strike me as the type of person to have raised a family to despise anyone , least not on superficial grounds 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Never inflict my will really Tony, but I do try to reason with her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 What I'm not sure of is, are both UKIP and Tories promising a referendum on EU membership? If so then what's the point in voting UKIP anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted January 16, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted January 16, 2015 My daughter is a potential ukip voter, she is absolutely against immigration, because, you know, foreigners. It is however over my dead body so she may be swayed towards tory, we said let me know about your sweet life under the current government, she is thinking of not voting now. Would you really influence your daughters voting habits ? I couldn't tell you the voting habits of any of my family , and whilst at 10 my son is a bit young to vote I don't think I'd be trying to influence him ,not that he'd listen anyway , he's got my stubborn genes in himI don't see how any parent could not influence their kids' voting habits - one way or the other. Not in terms of telling them who to vote for, but by talking about political issues and the way we see the world. It's part of their education. As it turns out, both my daughters are socially aware and motivated - and have ended up in much the same place as me - they despise the Tories and UKIP, hearts say Green, heads say Labour. well yes , even a comment when an MP comes on the TV is going to influence ... I took Seat to be more along the lines of actually directly telling his daughter how to vote ...which is slightly different clearly we are going to differ on the despise Tories line ..... as I don't think being socially aware bares any impact on how you vote ..I'm also socially aware , I wont bore people with my deeds but just say that I do things to try and make a difference .. but I sway toward the Tories ... the stereotype just annoys me .. I've met lovely people ( and a few not so lovely) from all walks of life and voting intentions... tbh I'm not sure I believe you for one second that just being a Tory would qualify me to be automatically despised by your daughters ( lots of other reasons might , but not just that) .. we've never met but we've been members of this forum long enough to form a reasonable opinion and .. well , you don't strike me as the type of person to have raised a family to despise anyone , least not on superficial grounds Not despising individual voters Tony, no. I meant the party itself and its leaders and policies - in a general sense. For example, both they and I consider our local (Tory) MP to a pretty good constituency MP, who's not afraid to defy the whips where local issues conflict with national policy. Still wouldn't vote for him though, I want the Tories out of government. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Hang on a minute. Murray is clearly taking the piss out of UKIP. No potential kippers will vote for him. All he'll do is get votes from UKIP haters, thus taking their votes away from the mainstream parties. It's a win-win for Farage. Are UKIP voters intelligent enough to see this as making fun of UKIP? Who knows, but in a country where people are stupid enough to vote for Ed Miliband to be PM I'd say anything is possible. I wonder why someone who lives in a tax haven even cares what's going on in this country. Then again, the tories really are the party for that kind of person. A tad unfair considering, that persons posts have been consistently against the Tory Party. Plus if someone offered you a job in a tax haven are you seriously saying you wouldn't take it because its a tax haven and would you automatically become a Tory? It is also perfectly possible for someone to live abroad and still have an opinion (and a vote) on the country of his or her citizenship.Best leave the personal stuff out of the debate imo, makes you look like you've got no argument. Like the thinly veiled stupid remark? Then again it kind of chimes in with your own view on politics doesn't it, so it's okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Like the thinly veiled stupid remark? Then again it kind of chimes in with your own view on politics doesn't it, so it's okay. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 link ... Mr Yates outlines his policies in a leaflet distributed in the area, under a heading describing them as a 'Ukip response' to traffic congestion. The leaflet reads: "As much as I applaud cycling as a form of exercise and past-time [sic] the already congested roads cannot cope with both bus lanes AND cyclists. "Cycles should go back to the pavements yet give priority to pedestrians." It continues: "We could likely remove six million cars from the roads if benefits claimants were not driving. Why do they have the privilege to spend the tax payers' hard earned money on a car, when those in work are struggling to keep their own car on the road? These people really could catch a bus." ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 'Common sense'. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 come on I'm not falling for that, it absolutely has to be a fake for a start he hasn't mentioned improving the weather by stopping gays doing bum sex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTTERDAM1982 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Old saying "if you are not a Socialist at 20 then you have no heart, if you are still a Socialist at 30 then you have no brain". Only trying to wind you up. Its difficult to know who to vote for atm, i couldn't vote for Miliband, and reluctant to vote for the Tories, although i do find the constant Tory bashing as rather 6th formish.The world economies are in a complete mess, we have lived beyond our means for the last 30 years, if we don't deal with it now then your kids will have a much harder time than what we have. Watching a programme the other day, and the amount of middle classes will not rise in Western Europe for the next 30 years, in other words no growth.Some tough decisions need to be made, and nobody seems to want to make them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted January 21, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2015 Those 'tough decisions' should not include making lives of the most disadvantaged harder, which is what the Tories do and do unashamedly. Our current way of life is unsustainable if we want greater equality, globally, and the toughest decision we need to make involves the small percentage of people who have amassed and control most of the wealth. It is expected that more money will fall into their hands and inequality will continue to grow. That this, and the environment, aren't the biggest talking points leading up to the general election, rather we have mumblings about 'immigrants' and the utterly pointless debates over the EU, tells you all you need to know about our priorities. We couldn't give a damn about long term thinking, we have no interest in what 'direction' we are going in, and those who control our political narratives have no interest in letting us debate more radical, and important, ideas. For me, inequality is the dominating issue. That doesn't mean ransacking the rich and redistributing their wealth, as that only leads to a different class of arseholes accumulating wealth and the rest suffering once again. Quite frankly, I have no idea how to go about it. I have no idea because no one has any interest in facilitating debates on the issue. But I'm utterly convinced that if people in both 'developed' and 'developing' countries had more opportunities and a fairer shot at improving their lives, a lot of the world's bullshit would go down the drain. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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