maqroll Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Just now, Dr_Pangloss said: MON in many ways was like your modern day CEO, run things for the short term only, **** the long term. Or politician 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 MON is more to blame than Lerner? Or all other managers? What a load of rubbish. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fowlersrs Posted December 13, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2015 Martin Oneil is the only positive thing this club has seen in the last 10 years, the day he walked was the day this club began to rot 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 If we'd dropped for a couple of seasons before recovering I'd partly blame MON for that. But there's no way you can blame him for the last 3/4 years and our relegation this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) I despised him when he walked out, especially for the timing of it, but in retrospect, if he's stayed. I think the only difference is that he'd have been the manager when we started finishing lower to midtable, he'd have probably been sacked for underperforming, and we'd be in pretty much the same position. He knew the money wasn't going to be there, and our current position is the inevitable outcome of that happening, I don't blame him one bit for not wanting to be a part of it. He could have done better with the money he spent, of course, but even if we'd finished in the top 4 once or twice under him, I don't think we'd be in a much better state today, we were never going to keep Man United/Arsenal/Chelsea out of the top 4 regularly, or prevent Man City breaking in to it with their billions. Edited December 13, 2015 by Davkaus 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 At today's game then? Does he have an Arsenal tattoo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 3 hours ago, maqroll said: If you think back on the MON appointment, what was it really based on? Minor **** Leicester hype, that's IT. We'd have been better off with any of the Spurs managers over that time, and a half dozen other guys. O'Neill is the biggest fraud in Premier League management history, IMO. He won a few tinpot leagues in Scotland and for some reason he was made favourite to replace Fergie or Sven at England, it was ridiculous. I never wanted him at the time and it was farcical the love he got. He had a lot of mates in BBC and media like that who championed for everything(maybe to stop him from suing them ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Thankyou. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) 8 hours ago, DCJonah said: MON is more to blame than Lerner? What a load of rubbish. Who said that? Edited December 13, 2015 by maqroll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 As for MON to take more blame than the other managers, clearly yes. MON was the only one of them who was given respectable money to spend and he completely **** things up by buying crap players on insane wages, and subsequently put the club in a hole it's still digging out from. The rest of the managers just tried to tread water. Had MON spent wisely with an eye to the future, we might be in the Champions League right now. **** Martin O'Neill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Rubbish. We're still digging out of the hole because we've completely **** up every single time after MON. Look at the money Houllier and Mcleish had to spend, what did they do with it? Look at the millions wasted paying managers and clubs compensation. MON is not the reason we keep buying poor players year after year. He's partly to blame for us not being able to maintain a top 6 challenge. We've had the opportunity to fix the mistakes made when he was here, we haven't because our owner is a **** idiot. And there's no way Lerner had the funds or plans to suggest we'd have stayed in the top 4 the last 6 years even if we had managed it once. Also spurs and city would have a put a stop to that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jackbauer24 Posted December 13, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2015 I never get this whole MON hatred thing, well not for his player purchases anyway. He was given money and spent some of it well and some of it exceedingly poorly. I don't think his performance in the transfer market was particularly good or bad. Petrov, Carew, Young, Milner, Delph, Downing all good purchases. But obviously recognise the Heskey, Sidwell and Davies disasters. But can he be overly faulted for spending more money than we could afford? Even if you argue that every signing was a bad one, every wage was excessive and it was all one massive disaster, the fault lies with Lerner. But worse still, if that much of a mistake has been made, what you don't do is just cut all spending on transfers and wages and keep doing it year on year for FIVE years. How bad a business man do you have to be to still be paying for a five year 'splurge' another five years later? And according to an article I found on net MON spent £120m in four years and recovered £39m - so £20m a season isn't even that excessive, it feels it now but £20m is kind of par for the course in this division. But then that admittedly doesn't cover wages - I doubt even MON discussed wages with players, that's Lerner again. Lerner took on a Premier League club for a bargain price, not in any debt. He is about to relegate us with our worst ever squad, and in huge debt, even if it is just to him. The fault for all this is his, and his alone. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Lerner is going to lose so much money on this club next year. This club will probably lose about half its value when we drop to the championship. This could have been avoided if Lerner just invested more money into transfers. The fact that Lambert had to sell our trash players for peanuts then use those peanuts to find more players is ridiculous. We are in the premiership. If you want to stay in it, a serious investment is needed. I really feel if Lambert was given some serious capital a couple seasons ago, we'd be a lot better off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Quote But can he be overly faulted for spending more money than we could afford? Even if you argue that every signing was a bad one, every wage was excessive and it was all one massive disaster, the fault lies with Lerner. He can be faulted, and should be, but ultimately, you are right, it's down to Lerner and I've never disputed that. My point is MON should have been much smarter. I think most people would agree that if he got it right, we'd not be where we are now. But he got it wrong, very wrong ultimately, and when Lerner finally tightened up, he threw a tantrum and walked, which in and of itself did enormous damage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 How did he get it very wrong? He finished 6th with the 6th largest wage bill. If that's getting it very wrong then whats followed has been catastrophic from every other manager. I think some people convince themselves that somehow MON bankrupted us. We were in a situation that needed addressing but wasn't something that should have caused us to be relegated 6 years later. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) Jonah, I've moved my reply to the MON thread Edited December 13, 2015 by maqroll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) I'm sure you could come up with a list of players for Wenger, mourinho and Ferguson showing wasted money. Nothing he could do about Mellberg. How was that his fault? Edited December 13, 2015 by DCJonah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I can't find the MON thread...eh, better off w/o it!!!! And I won't prolong this OT tangent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 As much as I resent MON for the part he played in blowing all that money, it happened so long ago it's no longer an excuse. Lerner has **** the club up and he is going to take one hell of a hit on his investment. I expect new owners next season picking the club up for peanuts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benireduk Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Well nobody is going to buy us before the end of the season. Think we'll be stuck with Randolph for at least another 18 months, presuming he won't sell for a loss when we're relegated. He'll just hope that we come straight back up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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