fightoffyour Posted February 6, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted February 6, 2014 Not sure how they can set a compensation fee until a few seasons pro or first transfer say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 London Bigger club More chance of success More money Didn't particularly get on with Tony McAndrew Nice lad too, not at all a runt, though he is little. I'm of a generation that can never accept the likes of Arsenal being a bigger club than Aston Villa. Fair play to them for being well run, cashing in on the London economy/Champs League and totally re-inventing themselves these past fifteen-twenty years BUT bigger than Villa? Never!! We'll be back. Sorry mate, Arsenal are a much bigger club than Villa and have been for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 London Bigger club More chance of success More money Didn't particularly get on with Tony McAndrew Nice lad too, not at all a runt, though he is little. I'm of a generation that can never accept the likes of Arsenal being a bigger club than Aston Villa. Fair play to them for being well run, cashing in on the London economy/Champs League and totally re-inventing themselves these past fifteen-twenty years BUT bigger than Villa? Never!! We'll be back. Sorry mate, Arsenal are a much bigger club than Villa and have been for a long time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 London Bigger club More chance of success More money Didn't particularly get on with Tony McAndrew Nice lad too, not at all a runt, though he is little. I'm of a generation that can never accept the likes of Arsenal being a bigger club than Aston Villa. Fair play to them for being well run, cashing in on the London economy/Champs League and totally re-inventing themselves these past fifteen-twenty years BUT bigger than Villa? Never!! We'll be back. Sorry mate, Arsenal are a much bigger club than Villa and have been for a long time. I think you missed his point they've been bigger since Graham and they unlike us got it right at the time of the premiership and champions league. Up until then they wants and hopefully we can get back up there and over hall them one day!! Crowley though is special only his physique will hold him back IMO very slight at the minute and there's been lots of quality kids not make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 London Bigger club More chance of success More money Didn't particularly get on with Tony McAndrew Nice lad too, not at all a runt, though he is little. I'm of a generation that can never accept the likes of Arsenal being a bigger club than Aston Villa. Fair play to them for being well run, cashing in on the London economy/Champs League and totally re-inventing themselves these past fifteen-twenty years BUT bigger than Villa? Never!! We'll be back. Sorry mate, Arsenal are a much bigger club than Villa and have been for a long time. I think you missed his point they've been bigger since Graham and they unlike us got it right at the time of the premiership and champions league. Up until then they wants and hopefully we can get back up there and over hall them one day!! Crowley though is special only his physique will hold him back IMO very slight at the minute and there's been lots of quality kids not make it. I'd love to see us get back to a stage where we can talk about being as big as Arsenal but we're not even close at this point. As to Gentleman above, the European Cup is obviously the jewel in our crown and something which I frequently use to laud over my Arsenal mates, but it's not the end of the argument. It's not just a recent thing, over the last 100 years Arsenal have won an awful lot more than we have. Anyway, let's not derail the thread. It's a shame we've lost out on Crowley but if we continue to invest in the academy and give players their chance in the first team then we stand to benefit from this system as well as occasionally losing a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 He is no longer our player. Please someone take this thread away - it is depressing me! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfingers Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Little runt who we're well rid of. Lets see if he is actually the next Wiltshire-He's got a hell of a long way to go yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 (edited) I liked the bit where Christ_JM resurrected a thread that has been dead for nearly a year to say he doesn't care about the player in question. Edited February 6, 2014 by Panto_Villan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted February 6, 2014 Author Share Posted February 6, 2014 Can we not praise a great football talent who has come through our academy? He looks absolutely brilliant to me and I don't think it'll be long before he's in the arsenal first team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfingers Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 If you're referring to me then no. I do not appreciate school kids questioning refereeing decisions at every given opportunity, chastising team mates who are 2 or 3 years older etc, etc. If my son did that, he'd be on the touchline faster than you could say SGC & I wouldn't wait for the team manager/coach to do it. That's not the kind of kid I want to see coming through our ranks & Arsenal are welcome to him. He seems to me to be too big for his boots. When he's got a few medals under his belt, maybe I'll change my point of view but as it stands, good riddance to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 London Bigger club More chance of success More money Didn't particularly get on with Tony McAndrew Nice lad too, not at all a runt, though he is little. For some reason I thought I was in the Bannan thread and I was going berserk. Can we not praise a great football talent who has come through our academy? He looks absolutely brilliant to me and I don't think it'll be long before he's in the arsenal first team That's that then. He'll be playing for Nuneaton Town in 3 years time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRS-T Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Developed by Villa, stolen by Arsenal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AndyClarke Posted February 6, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2014 The problem is with the system, they had nothing in place for the transfer of a 15 year old playing u18 football between two category 1 academies. That meant that the compensation was peanuts which negated the risk to Arsenal, meaning it was one of the easiest and most obvious transfers in history. As a Villa fan it is galling to lose a player who looks to be potentially on the way to the top. However you have to look at all the players Villa have acquired from other academies over the years and the players we have moved on for not making the grade. It is a cut throat industry and had the boot been on the other foot, Villa would have no qualms about taking a player from another club. On the lad himself, I gather he is very 'aware' of his ability but can you blame him? He's spent years being told how good he is and has backed it up, so what if he is cocky with it. If you look at the 2 clubs it is a no brainer, one plays good football, near the top of the league, with top players and is happy to promote youth. The other doesn't play great football, at the wrong end of the table and the route to the first team is blocked by ordinary players and a manager who thinks you need 6 months in the trenches to 'prove' you are worthy of a first team place. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandaq Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Either way, no reason to put ourselves down. Villa has currently the third best conversion rate right now, that is very good. Arsenal is on top though, but I think there are other clubs in England as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfingers Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Without wanting to get into yet another Lambert debate Andy, Wenger is hardly an advocate of English football or English footballers. I see no harm in loaning young lads with potential out to lower league clubs for a short while. Its happened to a lot better players than Daniel Crowley. Lambert is regularly starting with Clark, Baker & Weiman so it would be wrong to state that the route to the 1st team is blocked. In addition, getting into the 1st team at Villa, let alone Arsenal is quite a way off for a 16 year old. I wonder how many of Wengers players over the past 15 years or so were actually at Arsenal when aged 15/16? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevangrealish Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 You get better with every post andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyClarke Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Gnabry, Zelalem and even Walcott, Wilshere and The Ox were the players I was talking about. Lambert hasn't looked like taking a chance on any of the teenagers at Villa. Wenger may not be a great advocate of English players but he has proven that he will give opportunities to players who play his way, particularly in the cups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Cropley Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Gnabry, Zelalem and even Walcott, Wilshere and The Ox were the players I was talking about. Lambert hasn't looked like taking a chance on any of the teenagers at Villa. Wenger may not be a great advocate of English players but he has proven that he will give opportunities to players who play his way, particularly in the cups. ...very much this. Not so very long ago, we had a team of kids that won Europe's premier youth tournament. How many have kicked a first team ball.....meanwhile, we trawl Europe for cheap squad fillers of limited ability just to fill our bench. Ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfingers Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 You're talking about players who were leaps & bounds everything around them when they played for their club side (Southampton) & 1 player (Wilshere) who came through the ranks and has made it (after going out on loan to Bolton) I personally wouldn't take a chance on any teenagers at Villa either. That's not to say that I don't rate them, just that I don't think they're ready yet. I would like to see Carruthers get involved at some point though. Grealish for example hardly got involved at Preston on Saturday & he seems to be the pick of the crop at present. I would expect him to be making more of an impact at places like Preston before throwing him into a Villa side who according to many on here are still involved in a relegation battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRS-T Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Arsenal had Zelalem on the bench and he is only 17. Gnabry is the same age as Grealish but they haven't loaned him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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