maqroll Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 FWIW, there actually is a Independence group here with a Dem Socialist platform. Hardly any traction though. New England Independence Campaign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, maqroll said: FWIW, there actually is a Independence group here with a Dem Socialist platform. Hardly any traction though. New England Independence Campaign Edit: Looks like their new website doesn't mention Dem Socialist ideas. Probably the smart thing to do given the hysteria in this country about "Socialism". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Not going great for the Trump legal team, as always thoughts and prayers yada, yada, yada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) First SC election case officially on the books. Texas vs everyone Speaking of the independence discussion above... "The state of Texas on Tuesday asked the U.S. Supreme Court to throw out the voting results in four other states in a long-shot legal gambit intended to help President Donald Trump upend his election loss to President-elect Joe Biden." https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-election-lawsuit-texas/texas-asks-u-s-supreme-court-to-help-trump-upend-election-in-long-shot-lawsuit-idUSKBN28I27M Edited December 8, 2020 by villakram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 4 hours ago, maqroll said: The short answer is piss poor public schools. I read an interesting book called ‘Lies My Teacher Told Me’, you may have heard about it. Anyway, it’s written by an American history professor, and he explains how he basically has to spend a lot of time «unteaching» crap his students have been taught, and read in their high school textbooks, and what he sees as an extreme lack of critical analysis going on in American class rooms. I’m not qualified to judge, but it was an extremely interesting read anyway, and if it’s anywhere near as bad as the book would have it, it’s not good news for the future of American democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Unless I'm reading it wrong, this is semi-important because it's the first time that the Supreme Court of the US has had to make a ruling on anything 2020 election related. And they've all just decided that there's nothing that they need to bother with. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted December 9, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted December 9, 2020 7 hours ago, villakram said: First SC election case officially on the books. Texas vs everyone Speaking of the independence discussion above... "The state of Texas on Tuesday asked the U.S. Supreme Court to throw out the voting results in four other states in a long-shot legal gambit intended to help President Donald Trump upend his election loss to President-elect Joe Biden." https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-election-lawsuit-texas/texas-asks-u-s-supreme-court-to-help-trump-upend-election-in-long-shot-lawsuit-idUSKBN28I27M And they refused to look at Pennsylvania. No-one dissented - not one of the Trump appointees. Try again Donny. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted December 9, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted December 9, 2020 It's almost as though the judges and the courts and the state officials with some sense of integrity don't live on the Trump fantasy island. Maybe facts do still matter? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Another US member of congress who sits on an important intelligence committee caught with a close relationship to Chinese spies... oops! "A suspected Chinese intelligence operative named Christine Fang developed extensive ties with local and national politicians, including a U.S. congressman, in what U.S. officials believe was a political intelligence operation run by China’s main civilian spy agency between 2011 and 2015." https://www.axios.com/china-spy-california-hbo-video-d6755347-0c22-43a7-ad66-750d61a9af6e.html Paging married Californian representative Swalwell. Oh, those pesky Rooskies are so sneaky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, villakram said: Another US member of congress who sits on an important intelligence committee caught with a close relationship to Chinese spies... oops! "A suspected Chinese intelligence operative named Christine Fang developed extensive ties with local and national politicians, including a U.S. congressman, in what U.S. officials believe was a political intelligence operation run by China’s main civilian spy agency between 2011 and 2015." https://www.axios.com/china-spy-california-hbo-video-d6755347-0c22-43a7-ad66-750d61a9af6e.html Paging married Californian representative Swalwell. Oh, those pesky Rooskies are so sneaky! Are you actually equating this inconsequential episode with Swalwell, who by all accounts did nothing nefarious, to the Trump presidential campaign's open solicitation of Russian interference on the Clinton campaign and other alarming Trump-Russia connections? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 2 hours ago, villakram said: Another US member of congress who sits on an important intelligence committee caught with a close relationship to Chinese spies... oops! "A suspected Chinese intelligence operative named Christine Fang developed extensive ties with local and national politicians, including a U.S. congressman, in what U.S. officials believe was a political intelligence operation run by China’s main civilian spy agency between 2011 and 2015." https://www.axios.com/china-spy-california-hbo-video-d6755347-0c22-43a7-ad66-750d61a9af6e.html Paging married Californian representative Swalwell. Oh, those pesky Rooskies are so sneaky! For anyone that might take this at face value, click through to the full story. Spoiler for you, this is as weak as captain toms throwing arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 2 hours ago, maqroll said: Are you actually equating this inconsequential episode with Swalwell, who by all accounts did nothing nefarious, to the Trump presidential campaign's open solicitation of Russian interference on the Clinton campaign and other alarming Trump-Russia connections? along with Feinstein's China issue, it paints an interesting picture of the Californian congressional delegation, no? Btw, the Russian nonsense has been thoroughly investigated and debunked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, villakram said: debunked. No it wasn't, read what the report actually says rather than latching onto right wing talking points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 59 minutes ago, villakram said: Btw, the Russian nonsense has been thoroughly investigated and debunked. Must be why all those people linked to the Trump campaign went to prison over it then. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted December 10, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted December 10, 2020 not politics as such but it looks like a few FBI seniors have been getting a bit touchy, feely. Is this big news over the pond? https://www.mail.com/int/news/world/10379462-under-rug-sexual-misconduct-shakes-fbis-senior-ran.html#.1272-stage-set2-4 WORLD NEWS 'Under the rug:' Sexual misconduct shakes FBI's senior ranks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bobzy Posted December 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 10, 2020 Trump rushing through getting executions done is pretty grim. For such a wealthy and powerful nation, the United States sure is a **** backwards country in many ways. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 17 hours ago, ml1dch said: Must be why all those people linked to the Trump campaign went to prison over it then. None of them went to prison for conspiring with or collaborating with Russia. Dumbasses being caught being dumb is interesting, but separate from the whole Russia, Russia, Russia nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted December 10, 2020 Author Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 hour ago, villakram said: the whole Russia, Russia, Russia nonsense. Quote The investigation “identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign” and established that the Trump Campaign “showed interest in WikiLeaks's releases of documents and welcomed their potential to damage candidate Clinton” In 2015 and 2016, Michael Cohen pursued a hotel/residence project in Moscow on behalf of Trump while he was campaigning for President.[5] Then-candidate Trump personally signed a letter of intent. Senior members of the Trump campaign, including Paul Manafort, Donald Trump, Jr., and Jared Kushner took a June 9, 2016, meeting with Russian nationals at Trump Tower, New York, after outreach from an intermediary informed Trump, Jr., that the Russians had derogatory information on Clinton that was “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”[6] Beginning in June 2016, a Trump associate “forecast to senior [Trump] Campaign officials that WikiLeaks would release information damaging to candidate Clinton.”[7] A section of the Report that remains heavily redacted suggests that Roger Stone was this associate and that he had significant contacts with the campaign about Wikileaks.[8] The Report described multiple occasions where Trump associates lied to investigators about Trump associate contacts with Russia. Trump associates George Papadopoulos, Rick Gates, Michael Flynn, and Michael Cohen all admitted that they made false statements to federal investigators or to Congress about their contacts. In addition, Roger Stone faces trial this fall for obstruction of justice, five counts of making false statements, and one count of witness tampering. The Report contains no evidence that any Trump campaign official reported their contacts with Russia or WikiLeaks to U.S. law enforcement authorities during the campaign or presidential transition, despite public reports on Russian hacking starting in June 2016 and candidate Trump’s August 2016 intelligence briefing warning him that Russia was seeking to interfere in the election. The Report raised questions about why Trump associates and then-candidate Trump repeatedly asserted Trump had no connections to Russia.[9] Key Findings of the Mueller Report | ACS (acslaw.org) If a more aggressive prosecutor had taken the case, Trump would've been in handcuffs 11 months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted December 10, 2020 Author Share Posted December 10, 2020 5 hours ago, Follyfoot said: Is this big news over the pond? Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted December 10, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted December 10, 2020 1 hour ago, maqroll said: Nope Surprised to be honest, if this was some of the top brass at Scotland Yard I am sure it would be all over the media. Suppose you have bigger fish frying at the moment though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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