GarethRDR Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Cringingly twee, but I guess it's preferable to "angry at everything, all of the time" that the last few years have been. Smash-cut to footage of them waterboarding the dog for intel. Edited December 1, 2020 by GarethRDR 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 1, 2020 Moderator Share Posted December 1, 2020 Trumps AG, Barr has now stated that they've found no voter fraud that would have changed the outcome of the election. Meanwhile Trump's Election Defence Fund / Grift has so far raised $170 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Just now, bickster said: Meanwhile Trump's Election Defence Fund / Grift has so far raised $170 million He’s not as stupid as he looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Genie said: He’s not as stupid as he looks. That is a low bar though. If I needed advice about my rocket science project, and I had to choose based on appearance between him and Ronald MacDonald who I should ask where to place the twin flux capacitors, I would approach the burger peddling clown, rather than the clown who would want the burgers injected straight into his bloodstream. Edited December 1, 2020 by AJ Incorect spelleng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mjmooney Posted December 1, 2020 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2020 25 minutes ago, Genie said: He’s not as stupid as he looks. But his supporters are. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) This may be an unpopular opinion but I think he could be a genius. How can he 1) become president of the USA in the first place? and then 2) increase his personal vote by about 8m 4 years later? He knows what works for him and it pushes it 1000%. Don’t get me wrong, he’s an extremely dangerous man but I don’t think a lot of what he says and does should be taken on face value, it’s always part of a wider plan. The constant tweeting bollocks, the caps, poor old me routine, the conspiracy theories, it all appeals hugely to certain people who are his people. He is playing them like puppets. It happens that in the USA there are A LOT of them. Edited December 1, 2020 by Genie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted December 1, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted December 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, Genie said: This may be an unpopular opinion but I think he could be a genius. I'm not sure that a genius would send a casino bankrupt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, sidcow said: I'm not sure that a genius would send a casino bankrupt. Lots of casinos go bankrupt. Just on the presidency thing, you can’t fluke it 1.9 times Edited December 1, 2020 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 54 minutes ago, sidcow said: I'm not sure that a genius would send a casino bankrupt. A declaration of bankruptcy has little relevance to ones ability to run a business, if ones goal is to make money, e.g., see the entire leveraged buyout sector. Capitalism 101 aka "it's just business". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted December 2, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted December 2, 2020 4 hours ago, villakram said: A declaration of bankruptcy has little relevance to ones ability to run a business, if ones goal is to make money, e.g., see the entire leveraged buyout sector. Capitalism 101 aka "it's just business". Serious question VK. Do you the think the vote is rigged or is it legit? No need for cryptic responses - a simple yes or no will suffice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 13 hours ago, Genie said: This may be an unpopular opinion but I think he could be a genius. How can he 1) become president of the USA in the first place? and then 2) increase his personal vote by about 8m 4 years later? He lost, which is really quite unusual for a sitting president seeking re-election. That's not 'political genius'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: He lost, which is really quite unusual for a sitting president seeking re-election. That's not 'political genius'. But he had no right to be there in the first place having no prior political career to the becoming leader of the free world. Then he increased his popular vote by several million in the next election (despite being a shit president). Its a pretty incredible achievement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Just now, Genie said: But he had no right to be there in the first place having no prior political career to the becoming leader of the free world. Then he increased his popular vote by several million in the next election (despite being a shit president). Its a pretty incredible achievement. It was impressive that he won the Republican primary, but the reality following that is that he won the presidency despite losing the popular vote simply by having a better geographical distribution of support, which was always quite a weak position, and he then, over four years, managed to inspire literally unprecedented numbers of Americans to vote against him. Him getting 74 million votes might be an achievement, in some way, but it is obviously over-shadowed by the 'achievement' of persuading 81 million (!) Americans to vote against him. He has run behind down-ballot Republicans across most of the country, and is more unpopular than the generic Republican brand. I just don't think it's much of an 'achievement', let alone a 'pretty incredible' one. I really feel that the boring, conventional wisdom - he lost, and that's pretty embarrassing - has become hugely under-priced at this point. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 2, 2020 Moderator Share Posted December 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Genie said: Then he increased his popular vote by several million He decreased his percentage of the popular vote in a very high turn out election. He didn't win the popular vote first time out either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 It would be lovely to have a few parallel universes. In one, the vote could be red vs blue with policies, but no info on the character or appearance of the candidates. In another, no colours, no candidates, just two sets of policies, one against the other, A vs B. In another, two candidates, full on against each other, no mention of which party they are. I mean counting all those votes would be a nightmare, but it would be interesting. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) I agree with what you’re saying, but I just thinks there’s more to him than meets the eye at first glance. There is method in his madness, and not necessarily good method either. Like this go fund me for an election I’m sure he knows he lost fair and square. He’s always playing the long game. He has found and angle and leverages it with amazing efficiency. You can point to things like not winning the popular vote etc but that is evaluating Trump the president. When you take a step back it’s a miracle he got there, and then after 4 years maintained, and collected new voters. He’s a mad man who plays a certain role extremely well. He says and does things that most people can see are stupid, but it’s not stupid because he knows it appeals to a lot of the US electorate. He hasn’t fluked it. He’s played the game very well. Just to be absolutely clear, by genius I certainly don’t mean “great”. He’s a dangerous man with selfish motives, but he’s not the fool he appears to often be (imo). Edited December 2, 2020 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 I really don’t think there’s more to him, I think what you see is what you get. He’s a spoilt man baby who’s never been told no, illustrated by how badly he’s handled losing the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 The USA has pretty much always been split 50:50 Republican and Democrat, the fact Trump did virtually nothing to try and attract Democrat voters, in fact go out of his way to further alienate them this time round was only going to end up in defeat. It was political idiocy from the most preposterous human being I think I've ever come across. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 2 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: He lost, which is really quite unusual for a sitting president seeking re-election. That's not 'political genius'. Covid changed all political calculations, hence subsequent analysis must also take this into account. It does meet many of the legal requirements to be categorized as Force Majeure for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 10 hours ago, TheAuthority said: Serious question VK. Do you the think the vote is rigged or is it legit? No need for cryptic responses - a simple yes or no will suffice. Audits should be welcomed by all, to unequivocally demonstrate the integrity of the vote, in particular given the large turnout. Plenty of political shenanigans took place as has been discussed around here on many occasions. There were lots of unfortunate issues with how the count happened too, which creates plenty of room for conspiracy-land to get in high gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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