Popular Post Davkaus Posted June 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2022 Well, 2 minutes ago, Arj Guy said: All this ruling does is allow states to make their own abortion laws. So if you really want to kill your fetus just travel to one of the around 50% of states which allow it. There’s really no need to be so hysterical about it Firstly, the goal of senior republicans is to ban it nationwide, so there's an eye on the long game here. Secondly, there have already been rumblings of red states not looking kindly on women travelling out of state for abortions, and criminalising this act of travelling to a place where it's legal. Finally, it's easy to pass something off as being no big deal when it doesn't personally affect you. Waking up to find out you didn't have the bodily autonomy that you had yesterday is quite a big deal. Just an all round shit post, 0 out of 5 stars, well done. 26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 11 minutes ago, Arj Guy said: All this ruling does is allow states to make their own abortion laws. So if you really want to kill your fetus just travel to one of the around 50% of states which allow it. There’s really no need to be so hysterical about it And poor people, often of non-white races who both can’t afford to travel elsewhere or raise a kid? And in those states where they’ll ban it, there’s no healthcare, funding for babies, childcare, foster programs, sex Ed (only abstinence) if they’re so pro life, you’d imagine they’d be pro life at every stage. Not just for the rights of a clump of cells right? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted June 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2022 Just now, StefanAVFC said: if they’re so pro life, you’d imagine they’d be pro life at every stage. Not just for the rights of a clump of cells right? Best summed up by the great philosopher George Carlin, IMO. Quote “Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're ****.” 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 Although I do have to add, the clamour from non-US citizens going mad about this; we had our government over here, using a court as a political tool almost always ban abortion (not just states rights, a total ban) and there wasn’t a peep. slightly frustrating considering the size of the country slap bang in the middle of Europe. Women over here are even more restricted than in the states and if they want abortion, they need to travel to an entirely different country, whilst it being illegal to do so. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 8 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Although I do have to add, the clamour from non-US citizens going mad about this; we had our government over here, using a court as a political tool almost always ban abortion (not just states rights, a total ban) and there wasn’t a peep. slightly frustrating considering the size of the country slap bang in the middle of Europe. Women over here are even more restricted than in the states and if they want abortion, they need to travel to an entirely different country, whilst it being illegal to do so. We basically import most of our culture from the US now, from entertainment to our perceptions of social inequality. Nothing makes me facepalm like hearing young Brits banging on about "defunding the police" like we're the 51st state of America. There's also just perception of what the countries "should" be like, I think - despite all evidence to the contrary, Hollywood has beaten "land of the free" into people to the extent some people actually believe it, whereas Poland? Where's that, over to the east somewhere? Yeah that does sound like the kind of thing they do over there...Anything east of Germany hardly gets a mention over here unless it involves a war. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted June 26, 2022 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2022 31 minutes ago, Arj Guy said: All this ruling does is allow states to make their own abortion laws. So if you really want to kill your fetus just travel to one of the around 50% of states which allow it. There’s really no need to be so hysterical about it seriously, **** this post, **** this opinion, and **** this backwards thinking. Give your head a wobble 12 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, Davkaus said: We basically import most of our culture from the US now, from entertainment to our perceptions of social inequality. Nothing makes me facepalm like hearing young Brits banging on about "defunding the police" like we're the 51st state of America. There's also just perception of what the countries "should" be like, I think - despite all evidence to the contrary, Hollywood has beaten "land of the free" into people to the extent some people actually believe it, whereas Poland? Where's that, over to the east somewhere? Yeah that does sound like the kind of thing they do over there...Anything east of Germany hardly gets a mention over here unless it involves a war. Oh for sure I get the logic of it but it’s funny to me to see the hypocrisy of apparently up to date and global liberals when they don’t give a shit about bigger issues closer to home 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 51 minutes ago, Arj Guy said: All this ruling does is allow states to make their own abortion laws. So if you really want to kill your fetus just travel to one of the around 50% of states which allow it. There’s really no need to be so hysterical about it I don't think it would be constitutional for a state to ban its citizens from travelling to another state for a medical procedure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: I don't think it would be constitutional for a state to ban its citizens from travelling to another state for a medical procedure. Missouri tried to ban it earlier this year and failed - the fear is that Roe was used as an argument to prevent the bill passing. Republicans in Texas have already started talking about not just criminalising travel for abortion, but also criminalising importing pills for it, as well as "aiding and abetting" someone seeking an abortion, which they want to use to not just stop people assisting people travelling for one, but also for helping to fund someone from obtaining an abortion, no matter where it occurs. There are a lot of people, with a much better understanding than me, who say it would be unconstitutional, but that doesn't stop a state passing the bill and enforcing it, it just means very long and expensive court cases for people who try to contest it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 57 minutes ago, Davkaus said: What could that self-interest be? I am sure they have a lot of female employees who are absolutely key to their business. I stand to be corrected, but women who have babies are prone to change their focus and priorities. Didn't they have to ban employers asking prospective female candidates at interviews whether they had children? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 23 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: I don't think it would be constitutional for a state to ban its citizens from travelling to another state for a medical procedure. Before Friday it was unconstitutional to send abortion rights to the states yet here we are. The constitution means nothing other than the interpretation of which old crusty unelected judges are on the SCOTUS, with no term limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted June 26, 2022 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2022 Abortion isn't some sort of casual choice of sweater; every abortion is attached to some of the hardest decisions humans ever make, it comes with pain, with regret, with grief, with the awfulness of the procedure, with those moments of quiet tears and sadness, with anniversaries and what-ifs, and even if it was the only way, even if it was completely the only thing that could be done, the right thing, the best answer to an impossible question, it leaves bruises and scars on the heart of every woman that has to go through it that will stay with her for her whole life. To criminalise that, to make a victim of those that most need support or sympathy, those at their most vulnerable, is an abhorrent act of barbarism. That a group of judges could conspire to make it a reality is an incredibly sad reflection of the state of American democracy. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted June 26, 2022 Author Share Posted June 26, 2022 (edited) The Department of Defense openly defying the Supreme Court...strange days. Edited June 26, 2022 by maqroll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXD Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 2 hours ago, mjmooney said: Reuters Company Benefit(s) Offered JPMorgan Chase & Co (JPM.N) The company told employees it would pay for their travel to states that allow legal abortions, according to a memo seen by Reuters. read more Citigroup Inc (C.N) The bank has started covering travel expenses for employees who go out of state for abortions because of newly enacted restrictions in Texas and other states, becoming the first major U.S. bank to make that commitment. read more Goldman Sachs Group Inc (GS.N) Goldman Sachs Group Inc will cover travel expenses for its U.S.-based employees who need to go out of state to receive abortion or gender-affirming medical care starting July 1. read more Meta Platforms Inc. (META.O) Meta said in statement it intends to offer travel expense reimbursements, to the extent permitted by law, for employees who will need access to out-of-state healthcare and reproductive services. Yelp Inc (YELP.N) The crowd-sourced review platform will extend its abortion coverage to cover expenses for its employees and their dependents who need to travel to another state for abortion services. read more Amazon.com Inc (AMZN.O) The second-largest U.S. private employer told employees it will pay up to $4,000 in travel expenses yearly for non-life threatening medical treatments, among them elective abortions. read more Levi Strauss & CO The apparel company will reimburse travel expenses for its full- and part-time employees who need to travel to another state for healthcare services, including abortions. read more United Talent Agency The private Hollywood talent agency said it would reimburse travel expenses related to women's reproductive health services that are not accessible in an employee's state of residence. read more Tesla Inc (TSLA.O) Tesla's Safety Net program and health insurance includes travel and lodging support for its employees who may need to seek healthcare services that are unavailable in their home state, according to the company's 2021 impact report. (https://bit.ly/3beSOOQ) Microsoft Corp (MSFT.O) Microsoft said it would extend its abortion and gender affirming care services for employees in the United States to include travel expense assistance. read more Starbucks Corp (SBUX.O) Starbucks said it will reimburse U.S. employees and their dependents if they must travel more than 100 miles from their homes to obtain an abortion. read more Netflix Inc (NFLX.O) Netflix said it will offer travel reimbursement for U.S. employees and dependents who travel for cancer treatment, transplants, abortion and gender-affirming care through its U.S. health plans. Mastercard Inc (MA.N) Mastercard said it will fund travel and lodging for employees seeking abortions outside their home states from June, according to an internal memo seen by Reuters. read more Kroger Co Kroger said it will provide travel benefits up to $4,000 to facilitate access to several categories of medical treatments and a full range of reproductive health care services, including abortion. Uber Technologies Inc Uber said its insurance plans in the United States cover a range of reproductive health benefits, including pregnancy termination and travel expenses to access healthcare. DoorDash Inc DoorDash said it will cover certain travel-related expenses for employees who face new barriers to access and need to travel out of state for abortion-related care. Lyft Inc (LYFT.O) Lyft said its U.S. medical benefits plan includes coverage for elective abortion and reimbursement for travel costs if an employee must travel more than 100 miles for an in-network provider. Bank of America Corp The bank said it will reimburse employees and their dependents for the cost of traveling to receive reproductive healthcare, including abortions. Deutsche Bank AG The bank said it is updating its U.S. healthcare policy to cover travel costs for any medical procedure, including abortion, that is not offered within 100 miles of an employees' home, according to a source familiar. American Express Co American Express said it will cover travel and other related expenses for employees and their dependents if they need abortion or gender-affirming treatment that is not available where they live. Block (SQ.N) The payments company said it will cover expenses for U.S. employees who must travel more than 100 miles for abortions starting July 1, a source familiar with the matter said. Macy's Inc Macy's said it made the decision to expand its benefits program to provide travel reimbursement for colleagues to receive the medical care needed and will abide by existing laws and legal standards. Walt Disney Co Disney said the company's benefits will cover the cost of employees who need to travel to another location to access care, including to obtain an abortion, it said. read more Gucci Gucci said in May it will cover travel expenses of U.S. employees who need access to health care not available in their home state. The company also has said it will match employee donations to Planned Parenthood. Nice gesture of those companies, but their employees are not going to be the ones impacted the most. They have steady jobs, probably reasonably paid, so they could traven on their own (for moet of these companies). unemployed women will be impacted the most. I’m curious how they are going to be checking on these women in no abortion states. Will they be examined at the border? Or Will it just be a random person claiming you were pregnant making you a suspect? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 3 hours ago, Arj Guy said: All this ruling does is allow states to make their own abortion laws. So if you really want to kill your fetus just travel to one of the around 50% of states which allow it. There’s really no need to be so hysterical about it Ignorance of the size of America and the cost of travel? Or just trolling? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted June 26, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 26, 2022 1 hour ago, maqroll said: The Department of Defense openly defying the Supreme Court...strange days. We discussed this earlier on. Seems that the military as a federal organisation don't have to follow state rules, and the roe vs wade decision just handed the rulemaking on abortions to state level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted June 26, 2022 Author Share Posted June 26, 2022 9 minutes ago, Lichfield Dean said: We discussed this earlier on. Seems that the military as a federal organisation don't have to follow state rules, and the roe vs wade decision just handed the rulemaking on abortions to state level. Quite right. Nonetheless, an interesting public rejection you don't often see, if ever. If the court bans abortion federally, the DoD will have it's hands tied. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 Dems really need to step up here. I don't expect them to, but they need to expand the SCOTUS, end the filibuster, and bang out a few laws guaranteeing access to safe and legal abortions US wide (Federal land could be used for this). I don't know if any existing rules allow, but I'm 90% sure that the last 2 SCOTUS judges appointed both lied under oath about protecting Roe v Wade. What is the point of the hearing if you can just BS your way through them? Recall/impeach those 2. So much that is wrong with America goes back to the rich and powerful being utterly consequence free. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Name Is Death Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Marka Ragnos said: Trump, his entourage, and his supporters makes me think that a lot of Americans just want to live in some sort of extended WWE/UFC/motorcycle gang/god-fearin' rock 'n' roll patriot universe. Edited June 26, 2022 by His Name Is Death 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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