maqroll Posted June 25, 2022 Author Share Posted June 25, 2022 55 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: Well I know it’s been talked about in those circles since “the lost cause” crap started but it’s now started happening the other side with people in the liberal states talking about cutting loose from their Christian fundamentalist brethren. I daydream often about an independent, progressive New England, where I'm from. But barring a total cataclysm, it won't happen in my lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted June 25, 2022 Author Share Posted June 25, 2022 56 minutes ago, mjmooney said: AKA Austin. It's much more than just Austin. Every city there has residents who will be targeted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 25, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2022 1 minute ago, maqroll said: It's much more than just Austin. Every city there has residents who will be targeted. I know, I was oversimplifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 25, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Davkaus said: Texas **** off and being their own nation of clearings in the woods that shoots each other to death seems to be a net gain for America. They should have left it to Mexico. Maybe Texans should dwell on that for a while. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 25, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2022 1 hour ago, mjmooney said: AKA Austin. Tracey Austin? Explains a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 25, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2022 Seen the stories of abortion clinics immediately cancelling appointments that were due. Imagine how many thousands of lives this has already ruined. Disgrace of a country 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il_serpente Posted June 25, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2022 6 hours ago, LondonLax said: The bolded bit is my problem with the whole thing. It should never have been the Supreme Court that made abortion legal. Same with the legalisation of gay marriage. . Having the Supreme Court hand down the decision would historically be the safest and most effective way to enshrine the right and would render legislation superfluous since legislation can be reversed with the changing winds, whereas a Supreme Court decision can’t. Until yesterday, that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted June 25, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 25, 2022 There are weeks when my dual nationality and two passports are something I think about. This is one of those weeks. I'm feeling pretty disgusted and tired of this **** here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted June 26, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Marka Ragnos said: There are weeks when my dual nationality and two passports are something I think about. This is one of those weeks. I'm feeling pretty disgusted and tired of this **** here. I agree I have a good life here but there are things that are really bothering me about the US more than they ever have before. (Mainly sparked by having school aged children) For the folks who are speculating Trump might win, I’m telling you now, he will win in 2024. And after 4 years of a more experienced Trump led administration, who knows where the US will be in 2028. His daughter could follow him… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted June 26, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 26, 2022 30 minutes ago, TheAuthority said: I agree I have a good life here but there are things that are really bothering me about the US more than they ever have before. (Mainly sparked by having school aged children) For the folks who are speculating Trump might win, I’m telling you now, he will win in 2024. And after 4 years of a more experienced Trump led administration, who knows where the US will be in 2028. His daughter could follow him… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il_serpente Posted June 26, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Marka Ragnos said: That really needs to be in a spoiler with a warning. I’m still flushing my eyes and I’m not convinced my dinner is gonna stay down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted June 26, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 26, 2022 This seems pretty significant. If the military are prepared to ignore the supreme court isn't that getting a bit scary? The government, the supreme court and the military all seemingly getting involved in a political power struggle cannot end well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Lichfield Dean said: This seems pretty significant. If the military are prepared to ignore the supreme court isn't that getting a bit scary? The government, the supreme court and the military all seemingly getting involved in a political power struggle cannot end well. They're not ignoring the supreme court, their bases are federal enclaves and they're not obligated to follow state law - the supreme court hasn't banned abortion, they've just ruled that states can pass laws on it. This is them saying that they're not going to enforce those laws on their bases, or as an employer. Of course, if the republicans get their way and gain enough control to been abortion federally, it's a different story, but hopefully this angers enough of the public to prevent the US becoming a Christian caliphate Edited June 26, 2022 by Davkaus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted June 26, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Davkaus said: They're not ignoring the supreme court, their bases are federal enclaves and they're not obligated to follow state law. This is them saying that they're not going to enforce those laws on their bases, or as an employer Ah, that makes sense, thanks. Always find the whole state/federal thing confusing for some reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 It's been interesting to see some of the big tech companies respond to this as well. Google and Microsoft have pledged to ensure their staff retain access to abortions, if they're based in States that ban it, either funding travel and healthcare expenses, or even offering relocation. Facebook, on the other hand, have banned their staff from talking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted June 26, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 26, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Davkaus said: It's been interesting to see some of the big tech companies respond to this as well. Google and Microsoft have pledged to ensure their staff retain access to abortions, if they're based in States that ban it, either funding travel and healthcare expenses, or even offering relocation. Facebook, on the other hand, have banned their staff from talking about it. Reuters Company Benefit(s) Offered JPMorgan Chase & Co (JPM.N) The company told employees it would pay for their travel to states that allow legal abortions, according to a memo seen by Reuters. read more Citigroup Inc (C.N) The bank has started covering travel expenses for employees who go out of state for abortions because of newly enacted restrictions in Texas and other states, becoming the first major U.S. bank to make that commitment. read more Goldman Sachs Group Inc (GS.N) Goldman Sachs Group Inc will cover travel expenses for its U.S.-based employees who need to go out of state to receive abortion or gender-affirming medical care starting July 1. read more Meta Platforms Inc. (META.O) Meta said in statement it intends to offer travel expense reimbursements, to the extent permitted by law, for employees who will need access to out-of-state healthcare and reproductive services. Yelp Inc (YELP.N) The crowd-sourced review platform will extend its abortion coverage to cover expenses for its employees and their dependents who need to travel to another state for abortion services. read more Amazon.com Inc (AMZN.O) The second-largest U.S. private employer told employees it will pay up to $4,000 in travel expenses yearly for non-life threatening medical treatments, among them elective abortions. read more Levi Strauss & CO The apparel company will reimburse travel expenses for its full- and part-time employees who need to travel to another state for healthcare services, including abortions. read more United Talent Agency The private Hollywood talent agency said it would reimburse travel expenses related to women's reproductive health services that are not accessible in an employee's state of residence. read more Tesla Inc (TSLA.O) Tesla's Safety Net program and health insurance includes travel and lodging support for its employees who may need to seek healthcare services that are unavailable in their home state, according to the company's 2021 impact report. (https://bit.ly/3beSOOQ) Microsoft Corp (MSFT.O) Microsoft said it would extend its abortion and gender affirming care services for employees in the United States to include travel expense assistance. read more Starbucks Corp (SBUX.O) Starbucks said it will reimburse U.S. employees and their dependents if they must travel more than 100 miles from their homes to obtain an abortion. read more Netflix Inc (NFLX.O) Netflix said it will offer travel reimbursement for U.S. employees and dependents who travel for cancer treatment, transplants, abortion and gender-affirming care through its U.S. health plans. Mastercard Inc (MA.N) Mastercard said it will fund travel and lodging for employees seeking abortions outside their home states from June, according to an internal memo seen by Reuters. read more Kroger Co Kroger said it will provide travel benefits up to $4,000 to facilitate access to several categories of medical treatments and a full range of reproductive health care services, including abortion. Uber Technologies Inc Uber said its insurance plans in the United States cover a range of reproductive health benefits, including pregnancy termination and travel expenses to access healthcare. DoorDash Inc DoorDash said it will cover certain travel-related expenses for employees who face new barriers to access and need to travel out of state for abortion-related care. Lyft Inc (LYFT.O) Lyft said its U.S. medical benefits plan includes coverage for elective abortion and reimbursement for travel costs if an employee must travel more than 100 miles for an in-network provider. Bank of America Corp The bank said it will reimburse employees and their dependents for the cost of traveling to receive reproductive healthcare, including abortions. Deutsche Bank AG The bank said it is updating its U.S. healthcare policy to cover travel costs for any medical procedure, including abortion, that is not offered within 100 miles of an employees' home, according to a source familiar. American Express Co American Express said it will cover travel and other related expenses for employees and their dependents if they need abortion or gender-affirming treatment that is not available where they live. Block (SQ.N) The payments company said it will cover expenses for U.S. employees who must travel more than 100 miles for abortions starting July 1, a source familiar with the matter said. Macy's Inc Macy's said it made the decision to expand its benefits program to provide travel reimbursement for colleagues to receive the medical care needed and will abide by existing laws and legal standards. Walt Disney Co Disney said the company's benefits will cover the cost of employees who need to travel to another location to access care, including to obtain an abortion, it said. read more Gucci Gucci said in May it will cover travel expenses of U.S. employees who need access to health care not available in their home state. The company also has said it will match employee donations to Planned Parenthood. Edited June 26, 2022 by mjmooney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 26, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted June 26, 2022 Maybe the American corporate machine needs to start trying to outbid some of the more Mental politicians and get some more moderates in there. Strategic funding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 21 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Reuters Company Benefit(s) Offered JPMorgan Chase & Co (JPM.N) The company told employees it would pay for their travel to states that allow legal abortions, according to a memo seen by Reuters. read more Citigroup Inc (C.N) The bank has started covering travel expenses for employees who go out of state for abortions because of newly enacted restrictions in Texas and other states, becoming the first major U.S. bank to make that commitment. read more Goldman Sachs Group Inc (GS.N) Goldman Sachs Group Inc will cover travel expenses for its U.S.-based employees who need to go out of state to receive abortion or gender-affirming medical care starting July 1. read more Meta Platforms Inc. (META.O) Meta said in statement it intends to offer travel expense reimbursements, to the extent permitted by law, for employees who will need access to out-of-state healthcare and reproductive services. Yelp Inc (YELP.N) The crowd-sourced review platform will extend its abortion coverage to cover expenses for its employees and their dependents who need to travel to another state for abortion services. read more Amazon.com Inc (AMZN.O) The second-largest U.S. private employer told employees it will pay up to $4,000 in travel expenses yearly for non-life threatening medical treatments, among them elective abortions. read more Levi Strauss & CO The apparel company will reimburse travel expenses for its full- and part-time employees who need to travel to another state for healthcare services, including abortions. read more United Talent Agency The private Hollywood talent agency said it would reimburse travel expenses related to women's reproductive health services that are not accessible in an employee's state of residence. read more Tesla Inc (TSLA.O) Tesla's Safety Net program and health insurance includes travel and lodging support for its employees who may need to seek healthcare services that are unavailable in their home state, according to the company's 2021 impact report. (https://bit.ly/3beSOOQ) Microsoft Corp (MSFT.O) Microsoft said it would extend its abortion and gender affirming care services for employees in the United States to include travel expense assistance. read more Starbucks Corp (SBUX.O) Starbucks said it will reimburse U.S. employees and their dependents if they must travel more than 100 miles from their homes to obtain an abortion. read more Netflix Inc (NFLX.O) Netflix said it will offer travel reimbursement for U.S. employees and dependents who travel for cancer treatment, transplants, abortion and gender-affirming care through its U.S. health plans. Mastercard Inc (MA.N) Mastercard said it will fund travel and lodging for employees seeking abortions outside their home states from June, according to an internal memo seen by Reuters. read more Kroger Co Kroger said it will provide travel benefits up to $4,000 to facilitate access to several categories of medical treatments and a full range of reproductive health care services, including abortion. Uber Technologies Inc Uber said its insurance plans in the United States cover a range of reproductive health benefits, including pregnancy termination and travel expenses to access healthcare. DoorDash Inc DoorDash said it will cover certain travel-related expenses for employees who face new barriers to access and need to travel out of state for abortion-related care. Lyft Inc (LYFT.O) Lyft said its U.S. medical benefits plan includes coverage for elective abortion and reimbursement for travel costs if an employee must travel more than 100 miles for an in-network provider. Bank of America Corp The bank said it will reimburse employees and their dependents for the cost of traveling to receive reproductive healthcare, including abortions. Deutsche Bank AG The bank said it is updating its U.S. healthcare policy to cover travel costs for any medical procedure, including abortion, that is not offered within 100 miles of an employees' home, according to a source familiar. American Express Co American Express said it will cover travel and other related expenses for employees and their dependents if they need abortion or gender-affirming treatment that is not available where they live. Block (SQ.N) The payments company said it will cover expenses for U.S. employees who must travel more than 100 miles for abortions starting July 1, a source familiar with the matter said. Macy's Inc Macy's said it made the decision to expand its benefits program to provide travel reimbursement for colleagues to receive the medical care needed and will abide by existing laws and legal standards. Walt Disney Co Disney said the company's benefits will cover the cost of employees who need to travel to another location to access care, including to obtain an abortion, it said. read more Gucci Gucci said in May it will cover travel expenses of U.S. employees who need access to health care not available in their home state. The company also has said it will match employee donations to Planned Parenthood. A cynic might conclude that their motives have rather more to do with self-interest than idealism. Ever since Edward Bernays campaigned to associate smoking with female liberation, it has been impossible to take big business's altruism for granted. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arj Guy Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 All this ruling does is allow states to make their own abortion laws. So if you really want to kill your fetus just travel to one of the around 50% of states which allow it. There’s really no need to be so hysterical about it 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 11 minutes ago, MakemineVanilla said: A cynic might conclude that their motives have rather more to do with self-interest than idealism. Ever since Edward Bernays campaigned to associate smoking with female liberation, it has been impossible to take big business's altruism for granted. That's telling in its own way though isn't it? What could that self-interest be? They either consider that it makes them a more attractive employer, or is good PR for their customers. Regardless of their motives, big businesses with a global reach doing the right thing for their employees, and being vocal about doing so, can only be a good thing, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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