PaulC Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: Man City can play, its like watching a computer game at times. Brilliant stuff by them. Yes its all very well saying they have bought the title but the they are so brilliantly coached. Its the best football I have seen in the Premier League. 100 pts and 200 goals a big possibility. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 The Premier League is really at such a poor standard these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, PaulC said: Yes its all very well saying they have bought the title but the they are so brilliantly coached. Its the best football I have seen in the Premier League. 100 pts and 200 goals a big possibility. Doubt they will average 7 goals per game for the next 22 league games. Edited December 11, 2017 by sne 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 typo meant 100 goals 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 3 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: The Premier League is really at such a poor standard these days. It really isn't. Not sure why people think this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted December 11, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 11, 2017 2 hours ago, bobzy said: It really isn't. Not sure why people think this? Indeed, 5 PL teams in the last 16 of the CL certainly suggests it isn’t a poor standard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 1 hour ago, fightoffyour said: Indeed, 5 PL teams in the last 16 of the CL certainly suggests it isn’t a poor standard. I think outside of the top 6 its pretty much a shit show. Probably more so than ever before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Yep more teams outside the top 6 now just want to stay up rather than spend 2-3 years properly building a club and then qualifying for europa league. Likes of Charlton and Bolton used to be examples of this. In fairness likes of Watford and Burnley are challenging. Teams like West Ham and Everton should be better though for what they spend season in season out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 1 hour ago, VillaChris said: Yep more teams outside the top 6 now just want to stay up rather than spend 2-3 years properly building a club and then qualifying for europa league. Likes of Charlton and Bolton used to be examples of this. In fairness likes of Watford and Burnley are challenging. Teams like West Ham and Everton should be better though for what they spend season in season out. That’s just not true. Most teams are improving and trying to kick on - whether or not they succeed is a different story. Only really West Brom, Stoke and Swansea who are happy just keeping afloat. Everyone else is trying. I think the league is very strong throughout. The money promoted teams get is insane too - allows them to be more effective than previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 more for the games gone thread but i disagree, these teams arent challenging for anything, 60% of the teams in the PL are purely happy to be there, the recent bullshit manager merry go round only highlighted it, the millions spent is usually on bang average overpriced players i dont watch anywhere near as much as i used to be but when we were down in the shit for 4/5 years the quality of the games vs the teams around us were utter garbage, the worst of it being the likes of us, sunderland, everton up until now...theres more than a fair few teams and players who just give up and take their massive pay packet, west brom in march last season, thats criminal, the **** dont even try in the cups either The CL is designed for the 5 english clubs to go through, spurs did really well but the other 4 was painting by numbers, so i dont see that as a measuring stick either 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 (edited) 42 minutes ago, bobzy said: That’s just not true. Most teams are improving and trying to kick on - They aren't though. Bar the top six and Everton (who are failing at trying to kick on) every single other club in the premier league is just trying to stay up. That's it. That's why as soon as they start to look close to relegation they fire the manager. It's all about staying up and getting the £100m+ of TV revenue. Nothing else matters, not building a team, not bringing through youth players or local lads, not any of the domestic cups and certainly not the europa league if they do get there. The sad thing is that if we do go up we'll be in the exact same situation. Edited December 11, 2017 by villa89 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 The Premier League - the best one horse race in the World. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted December 11, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 11, 2017 2 hours ago, Xela said: I think outside of the top 6 its pretty much a shit show. Probably more so than ever before. Suggest was the key word. I haven’t paid enough attention to the PL or any European leagues to know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 11, 2017 Author Share Posted December 11, 2017 4 hours ago, Xela said: I think outside of the top 6 its pretty much a shit show. Probably more so than ever before. 11 point lead before Christmas. Even the famous 1 team leagues of France, Scotland and Germany dont have a gap that big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 11, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 11, 2017 9 hours ago, bobzy said: It really isn't. Not sure why people think this? Because if it isn't then people would have to admit Pep/Man City are actually quite good. Man City do badly = Pep is crap Man City do well = the league is crap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Zatman said: 11 point lead before Christmas. Even the famous 1 team leagues of France, Scotland and Germany dont have a gap that big It’s not a marker. Man City are just an incredible team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 3 hours ago, villa89 said: They aren't though. Bar the top six and Everton (who are failing at trying to kick on) every single other club in the premier league is just trying to stay up. That's it. That's why as soon as they start to look close to relegation they fire the manager. It's all about staying up and getting the £100m+ of TV revenue. Nothing else matters, not building a team, not bringing through youth players or local lads, not any of the domestic cups and certainly not the europa league if they do get there. The sad thing is that if we do go up we'll be in the exact same situation. Completely disagree. There’s a big step up in class when you get to top 6, but there’s a whole bunch of teams trying to improve - most of the league tbh. The promoted sides also look strong - splashing out for players such as Mooy and Izquierdo. They’re no longer such in it for the staying up - the money enables them to build. “As soon as they start to look close to relegation they fire the manager” - isn’t that just standard practice?! Failing team sacks manager to try and improve. Hardly a shock factor. A whole bunch of people want our manager out and we’re 5th! Bringing through youth players is a bit of a “one for the fans” thing really. Unless you’re a top club, you won’t have the best talent coming through the academy (on the whole). You’ll get better talent being brought in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 12 hours ago, bobzy said: Completely disagree. There’s a big step up in class when you get to top 6, but there’s a whole bunch of teams trying to improve - most of the league tbh. The promoted sides also look strong - splashing out for players such as Mooy and Izquierdo. They’re no longer such in it for the staying up - the money enables them to build. “As soon as they start to look close to relegation they fire the manager” - isn’t that just standard practice?! Failing team sacks manager to try and improve. Hardly a shock factor. A whole bunch of people want our manager out and we’re 5th! Bringing through youth players is a bit of a “one for the fans” thing really. Unless you’re a top club, you won’t have the best talent coming through the academy (on the whole). You’ll get better talent being brought in. The top 6 have moved away from the rest. but it was only last season that Leicester City reached the quarter finals of the champions league. Compared to other leagues in Europe the strength of our league is very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 13, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) Best ever start to a top flight season (based on 3 points for a win) Top flight record 15 wins in a row Pep is shit though. Edited December 13, 2017 by Stevo985 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Even Siva is better under Pep. Never seen him play better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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