villan-scott Posted December 14, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 14, 2017 When Chelsea were storming the league last year and winning lots of games in a row Conte was a genius. Pep does it and he’s an arsehole. Man City and Pep are undeniably good, I have massive respect for what he’s achieved. Nothing in football is a given, no matter the resources or reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Wasn't it? They finished on the same points the season before he joined under Pellegrini, who apparently was doing alright. Please forgive the horrific formatting but look at the enormous gulf in class between these 2 squads. I think I’d have sacked Pellegrini if he couldn’t get more points than United looking at the squads. David De Gea - No.1 Phil Jones - No.4 Marcos Rojo Memphis Depay - No.7 Juan Mata - No.8 Anthony Martial - No.9 Wayne Rooney - No.10 Adnan Januzaj - No.11 (Loan) Chris Smalling - No.12 Michael Carrick - No.16 Daley Blind - No.17 Ashley Young - No.18 James Wilson - No.19 Sergio Romero - No.20 Ander Herrera - No.21 Luke Shaw - No.23 Maroune Fellaini - No.27 Morgan Schneiderlin - No.28 Bastian Schweinsteiger - No.31 Paddy McNair - No.33 Jesse Lingard - No.35 Matteo Darmian - No.36 Tyler Blackett - No.42 (Loan) Andreas Periera - No.44 Sam Johnstone - No.50 N P Nat. Name Age EU Since App Goals Ends Transfer fee Notes 1 GK Joe Hart 30 EU 2006 347 0 2019 £100,000[10] 3 RB Bacary Sagna 34 EU 2014 61 0 2017 Free 4 CB Vincent Kompany 31 EU 2008 298 14 2019 £6M Captain 5 RB Pablo Zabaleta 32 EU 2008 301 10 2017 £6M 6 DM Fernando 30 EU 2014 75 4 2019 £12M 7 RW Raheem Sterling 23 EU 2015 47 11 2020 £49M 8 AM Samir Nasri 30 EU 2011 176 27 2019 £25M 10 FW Sergio Agüero 29 EU 2011 208 136 2019 £35M 11 LB Aleksandar Kolarov 32 Non-EU 2010 206 20 2018 £16M 13 GK Willy Caballero 36 EU 2014 21 0 2017 £4.4M 14 FW Wilfried Bony 29 Non-EU 2015(Winter) 46 10 2019 £30M 15 RW Jesús Navas 32 EU 2013 147 8 2017 £14.9M 17 AM Kevin De Bruyne 26 EU 2015 41 16 2021 £54.5M 18 CM Fabian Delph 28 EU 2015 27 2 2020 £8M 20 CB Eliaquim Mangala 26 EU 2014 63 0 2019 £32M 21 AM David Silva 31 EU 2010 260 43 2019 £24M 22 LB Gaël Clichy 32 EU 2011 164 1 2017 £7M 25 CM Fernandinho 32 Non-EU 2013 139 14 2017 £30M 26 CB Martín Demichelis 36 EU 2013 106 4 2016 £4M 27 MF Patrick Roberts 20 EU 2015 3 0 2020 £2M On loan at Celtic 28 DF Jason Denayer 22 EU 2013 0 0 2020 £193,000 Academy Graduate On loan at Galatasaray 29 GK Richard Wright 40 EU 2012 0 0 2016 Free 30 DF Nicolás Otamendi 29 EU 2015 49 1 2020 £33M 36 CM Bruno Zuculini 24 EU 2014 1 0 N/A £1.5M On loan at AEK Athens 42 CM Yaya Touré 34 Non-EU 2010 267 76 2017 £24M 72 FW Kelechi Iheanacho 21 Non-EU 2014 35 14 2019 £360,000 Academy Graduate Edited December 14, 2017 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 14, 2017 Author Share Posted December 14, 2017 3 hours ago, bobzy said: Utterly bizarre. I'm pretty sure it's down to some real intense jealousy. I have said before why I hate Pep and it begins with a D which he has been banned for as a player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 15 minutes ago, Zatman said: I have said before why I hate Pep and it begins with a D which he has been banned for as a player A drugs ban at Brescia in 2001, which he has since been cleared of? Again, utterly bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 14, 2017 Author Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 minute ago, bobzy said: A drugs ban at Brescia in 2001, which he has since been cleared of? Again, utterly bizarre. He was cleared nearly 10 years later due to a technicality. Anybody caught on a drugs ban should be banned from ever being allowed near the game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 You hate someone for failing a drugs test at Brescia in 2001. A charge which was later cleared. Hate them. I mean, really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 14, 2017 Author Share Posted December 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, bobzy said: You hate someone for failing a drugs test at Brescia in 2001. A charge which was later cleared. Hate them. I mean, really? yes hate. the same way athletics fans hate Ben Johnson or cycling fans hate Lance Armstrong You like him fair enough, i think he is a piece of shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuwabatake Sanjuro Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) I'd be of a similar outlook when it comes to doping in football. I didn't believe what I saw in the Barca (Fuentes of Operation Puerto fame was caught before he took over but I'm sure they had access to other dodgy doctors after) days and don't believe what I'm seeing now either. Then again I believe doping is absolutely rife in football as testing is pathetic and the money involved so huge. Just some teams can push the envelope further in my very humble uneducated opinion. Pep still is a genius regardless but should have done a lot better last season, his messing around with back 3s and playing Fernandinho full back with Kolarov in the centre was bizarre. Edited December 14, 2017 by Kuwabatake Sanjuro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 15, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted December 15, 2017 9 hours ago, bobzy said: You hate someone for failing a drugs test at Brescia in 2001. A charge which was later cleared. Hate them. I mean, really? 8 hours ago, Zatman said: yes hate. the same way athletics fans hate Ben Johnson or cycling fans hate Lance Armstrong You like him fair enough, i think he is a piece of shit I mean this kind of proves what we all already knew. That zatmans posts about Pep shouldn’t be taken seriously because they’re influenced by something else. Which is fine by the way, I understand why you feel like that Zat. But it kind of makes a debate with you about Pep ‘s ability pointless because you’re basically admitting you’ll never change your opinion even if he’s unbelievably successful 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Named Manager of the Month for the 3rd consecutive month. Congrats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 13 hours ago, Zatman said: yes hate. the same way athletics fans hate Ben Johnson or cycling fans hate Lance Armstrong You like him fair enough, i think he is a piece of shit I don't like him tbh - I'm pretty neutral towards Guardiola. I think the football his teams play is superb, but not fussed about him as a person. Nothing like Ben Johnson or Lance Armstrong though. They cheated to win individual glory which **** over others. At worst, Guardiola has cheated teammates out of a place in a first team or scored goals that he wouldn't have done without an illegal boost* - and that's if you believe he actively cheated. I'm actually curious to know what level of extra performance nandrolone would give footballers. How significant would any advantage be? Tend to agree with @Kuwabatake Sanjuro that doping may be pretty wide spread given the money involved. (* - Unless you're claiming all his teams are doping, which is pretty huge...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 I have never been able to get this hatred for people because they may or may not have done something wrong in the past. Life is too short to hold grudges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Dismantled Spurs with ease, even gave them a chance by playing Mangala and missing a penalty at 2-0. As an aside, i'm not sure i've ever seen a player who can look such a poor technician and yet score so many goals as Sterling. He's missed 2 or 3 open goals today and for his 2nd goal he completely missed the ball trying to take it round Lloris; luckily it actually fooled him and nutmegged him, yet in the end its another 2 to his seasons tally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Still fancy them for an unbeaten season. Superb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Its one good thing about us being miserable failures. At least we wont have to play a Guardiola side. Id fear a 10 goal plus winning margin against this lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 De Bruyne was different class again. Not even a terrible challenge by Dele Alli could stop him. Delph is so comfortable in the position he is playing. One thing about him he has always been good on the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 16, 2017 Author Share Posted December 16, 2017 19 minutes ago, PaulC said: De Bruyne was different class again. Not even a terrible challenge by Dele Alli could stop him. Delph is so comfortable in the position he is playing. One thing about him he has always been good on the ball. He really wasnt. Could beat a man but his passing was poor and would lose in stupid positions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 De Bruyne is possibly the best player in this league. Class apart. It's like he's playing FIFA and everyone else is on the pitch. Sees the game like he's watching it from the top down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 5 minutes ago, Zatman said: He really wasnt. Could beat a man but his passing was poor and would lose in stupid positions More passes than any other Man City player - and third best accuracy behind Gundogan and Otamendi. Not bad for "poor". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 5 minutes ago, Keyblade said: De Bruyne is possibly the best player in this league. Class apart. It's like he's playing FIFA and everyone else is on the pitch. Sees the game like he's watching it from the top down. Seems to genuinely love the game as well? Just no fuss from him - just absolute brilliance. Also think Leroy Sane is a player too. So quick and direct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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