Zatman Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 10 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Stones might just prove to be the biggest hype job in English football history. So what he can with the ball, he is shite at everything else. is he actually even that good on the ball? he needs add muscle on him as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 7 hours ago, BOF said: Again, I wouldn't be too harsh. I don't think there are many worse teams in the world to be a man down against than Barcelona. I've read posts from people using it to somehow question Guardiola as a manager or even confirm(ing their bias...) that he's going to fail. Yes, plenty of facepalming being done after last night. It's a defeat. To Barcelona. In Barcelona. That's all it was. Barca lost 2 defenders in 1st half through injury and replaced them with average backs. a world class manager would have exploited that by putting their best striker on at half time even though was no excuse for not starting him then putting him on when game was over. Guardiola is the most naive defensive manager since Tim Sherwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 On 19/10/2016 at 21:19, Zatman said: absolute shambles so far I thought they were alright for first 50 minutes...missed some decent chances which Aguero would've buried which makes it baffling he was a sub. Stones wasn't great but he's still young and learning....Otamendi though, constantly lunging in and taking risks, he reminds me a lot of heinze when he played in England. Constantly tacking which excites the fans but leaves so much space behind and when he mistimes the opposition are through. Group certainly isn't cut and dried...'Gladbach beat Celtic again and they're likely to be above City who still have to go to Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Is it just me or does Guardiola really struggle to win away games in the champions league...not just knock out games but even in the group stages I'm pretty sure his record is patchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share Posted October 20, 2016 plus City got lucky in 1st game with Monchengladbach because initial game was postponed and MOnchengladbach didnt want play next day as lot of their fans went home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 9 hours ago, Zatman said: plus City got lucky in 1st game with Monchengladbach because initial game was postponed and MOnchengladbach didnt want play next day as lot of their fans went home They won 4-0. I think suggesting that they would have struggled if they'd played 24 hours earlier is a stretch, even for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 21 hours ago, BOF said: I think the score flattered Barça, ably abetted by a mesmeric Messi and a blundering Bravo. But City went in at 1-0 having asked serious questions of the Barcelona backline and their keeper. I agree with thise but barca never really got out of 2nd gear and even then city's frailties were exposed badly. They are heavily reliant on Silva and De Bruyne. For the money they have spent they should have alot more options than that. Also their defence and keeper aren't good enough to go far in the Champions League. As soon as they meet a decent side they'll be put to the sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 John Stones is a clown. Couldn't happen to a bigger tosser. Will never forget his 'calm down' gesture to Everton fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 The English David Luiz. His total lack of defensive ability is swept under the rug because he can play a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 TBH Guardiola's shitty 'philosophy' of having defenders and goal keepers playing lots of short passes to each other and doing all round dangerous things on the ball is only going to enhance the probability of defensive errors, especially in a league like this where there's a strong emphasis on a high press and closing down players with the ball. City have been a calamity at the back for the last few weeks precisely for this reason. But I guess Guardiola has a blank cheque book so will simply continue to try and sign players who can do what he wants. Hilariously though, Stones was signed because of his on the ball 'ability' but has looked the worst out of the lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 29 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: TBH Guardiola's shitty 'philosophy' of having defenders and goal keepers playing lots of short passes to each other and doing all round dangerous things on the ball is only going to enhance the probability of defensive errors, especially in a league like this where there's a strong emphasis on a high press and closing down players with the ball. City have been a calamity at the back for the last few weeks precisely for this reason. But I guess Guardiola has a blank cheque book so will simply continue to try and sign players who can do what he wants. Hilariously though, Stones was signed because of his on the ball 'ability' but has looked the worst out of the lot. I think it's a bit like Leicester, teams have figured them out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 23, 2016 Author Share Posted October 23, 2016 59 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: TBH Guardiola's shitty 'philosophy' of having defenders and goal keepers playing lots of short passes to each other and doing all round dangerous things on the ball is only going to enhance the probability of defensive errors, especially in a league like this where there's a strong emphasis on a high press and closing down players with the ball. City have been a calamity at the back for the last few weeks precisely for this reason. But I guess Guardiola has a blank cheque book so will simply continue to try and sign players who can do what he wants. Hilariously though, Stones was signed because of his on the ball 'ability' but has looked the worst out of the lot. If I was a City fan I would be very worried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 I mean Stones didn't even have a good season with Everton last year- 47 million was crazy amount. Worth half that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 23, 2016 Author Share Posted October 23, 2016 Wasnt he the only England outfield player not to play at the Euros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Sane as a wing back today was a terrible idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 1 hour ago, VillaChris said: Sane as a wing back today was a terrible idea. Guardiola has a lot of terrible ideas TBH, yet some think he's 'pushing the boundaries' (e.g. Henry Winter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 23, 2016 Author Share Posted October 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Guardiola has a lot of terrible ideas TBH, yet some think he's 'pushing the boundaries' (e.g. Henry Winter). you can get a way with some of the stuff he did at Bayern and Barcelona because players he had e.g. Mascherano centre back or Lahm holding midfielder. City player are nowhere near this level and at moment he looks like he in the Tactics Tim school Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCDAN Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Guardiola has a lot of terrible ideas TBH, yet some think he's 'pushing the boundaries' (e.g. Henry Winter). I'm not being funny mate but if Guardiola is doing it 'wrong' who is doing it 'right' exactly? I know we all like to knock people off their pedestals but I think he deserves some credit for his last 6-7 years in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Its a long season, theres going to be peaks and troughs and they are still top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted October 23, 2016 Share Posted October 23, 2016 Man. City should just play a boring 4-3-3. Not some tactical masterstroke but makes sense with the players they've got....Aguero with De Bruyne and one of Sterling/Nolito/Sane as other option and then 3 of Fernandinho, Gudongan and Silva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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