peterms Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Seems like there is something bigger going on to the point we will never know. I just read an article where former radio one DJ Liz Kershaw claims she was groped etc and that it was well known what was going on. Trust me on this that although maybe true, she is all of a sudden coming out with this for reason. There was a culture in this country where this was routine, unremarkable, and not something where a complaint would be taken seriously. It was not in any respect the sole preserve of the BBC or the world of music presenters. There was a long campaign fought for many years to change this, involving things like objecting to pages from soft porn mags being displayed on office walls, which, strange as it may now seem, was an everyday occurrence. The women who led this campaign were treated to the full works of the gutter press, who portrayed them as overall-wearing lesbians who sought to clamp down on the right to have "a bit of fun". Some of the comments now being made about previous harassment seem to me to have the air of people saying "Can you believe what used to happen?", rather than intended as disclosures of something thought to be on the same scale as the Savile stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Isn't it strange? Social Services decide, taking into account legal advice and the findings of a previous court case, to terminate a temporary foster placement a few weeks early: condemnation all round, immediate inquiry, heads must roll, sonorous pronouncements from everyone. Kids subjected to routine physical and sexual abuse, mistreated and pimped out, threatened, assaulted and in some cases even killed for speaking out: 30 years of cover-ups, reports withheld, evidence goes missing, injunctions, trivial compensation payments, libel threats against people commenting. We seem to be better at adult protection than child protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Stuart Hall has just been arrested and questioned over allegations of rape. Bloody hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 5, 2012 Moderator Share Posted December 5, 2012 Stuart Hall has just been arrested and questioned over allegations of rape. Bloody hell. Hmmm I'm rather sceptical about that one tbh, he was a regular at a gay night in Liverpool a few decades ago and he never struck me as the non consensual type. His pick ups were usually in the 25 - 30 year old bracket and obviously gay and up for it. It really was a NW scene thing, gay men used to travel from all over the NW for that night as it was one of the very few openly gay nights in the region, going there mostly with the specific intent of picking someone up for the night. There were people in there that got off on trying to "turn" younger straight lads (not at that night obviously), the club owner himself for one but Stuart Hall never seemed to be a part of that particular scene. I wouldn't be shocked if no charges were made on this one tbh. Hope so anyway as he always struck me as a fun bloke EDIT: even more sceptical now I've discovered he's accused of indecent acts with young girls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Stuart Hall? A fruit? Never..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC_Hitz Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 It's coming to a point when we're scared our childhood heroes are involved. I'm dreading the day they arrest Neil Buchanen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted December 5, 2012 Moderator Share Posted December 5, 2012 He's been charged then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 5, 2012 Moderator Share Posted December 5, 2012 He's been charged then. Indeed if its true thats one rather strange sexuality. Still can't see it though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Hmmm I'm rather sceptical about that one tbh, he was a regular at a gay night in Liverpool a few decades ago and he never struck me as the non consensual type. His pick ups were usually in the 25 - 30 year old bracket and obviously gay and up for it. It really was a NW scene thing, gay men used to travel from all over the NW for that night as it was one of the very few openly gay nights in the region, going there mostly with the specific intent of picking someone up for the night. There were people in there that got off on trying to "turn" younger straight lads (not at that night obviously), the club owner himself for one but Stuart Hall never seemed to be a part of that particular scene. I wouldn't be shocked if no charges were made on this one tbh. Hope so anyway as he always struck me as a fun bloke EDIT: even more sceptical now I've discovered he's accused of indecent acts with young girls That struck me as a bit strange, because I remember ages ago hearing from a journo mate who worked in the same newsroom, but not closely with him, how he had come in one day and was giving it out about all the things he'd been doing with a wpc the night before. Nothing remotely illegal, just a lot of "look at me" chauvinist shite. Though I suppose there are plenty of people who might want a laddish persona at work even if their own sexuality is a little more complex, and make things up to fit the character they are trying to impersonate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristchurchVillan Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Its A Cockout 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Well well, Max Clifford has been arrested. What a horrible, petty, disgusting human that man is, and that is without taking these allegations into account. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted December 6, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted December 6, 2012 Interesting. Given that Clifford has recently been saying that several of his clients were shitting themsleves about Operation Yewtree, I initially assumed that he was arrested for what he knew and withheld, rather than for what he may have actually done. But it seems otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Clifford heh?! The man Simon Cowell (who paid £50k of Jonathan Kings bail... hmmm) pays £250k per year to keep stuff OUT of the press. Methinks if they've got enough on him that he'll turn Queens. Twitchy arse time for the whole UK celepede community methinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted December 6, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted December 6, 2012 "Celepede". Like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 The Clifford thing is the ultimate irony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Interesting. Given that Clifford has recently been saying that several of his clients were shitting themsleves about Operation Yewtree, I initially assumed that he was arrested for what he knew and withheld, rather than for what he may have actually done. But it seems otherwise. The Guardian headline says arrested on suspicion of sexual offences (which you would naturally read as suspicion of committing, rather than suspicion of concealing, aiding and abetting or anything else). But the story doesn't actually say anything to support that headline. Odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 6, 2012 Moderator Share Posted December 6, 2012 Well with it being Max Clifford the papers better be extremely careful what headlines they write, if they aren't sure of their facts and they get it wrong it will cost them. That said I'd imagine there are a lot of people out there, in the press and otherwise who have been waiting many years to get their knives into Clifford. You can almost hear them being sharpened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 7, 2012 Moderator Share Posted December 7, 2012 Just waiting for ITV to announce their new reality TV game show... I'm a Celebrity Paedo, Get Me Out of Her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Max Clifford arrested, fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 He was very quick to state many weeks ago that a number of worried 'celebrities' had contacted him about this... now it sounds like that was a bit of a diversion tactic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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