Morkery Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 In seperate news Alex Mcleish is to appear on channel 4s hidden talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbertoAVFC Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 The thing that annoys me most about McLeish is that no matter what adversity he is facing at any given time he will still try to appease everybody. I mean "it was understandable" - just the way he says it is so sycophantic. Maybe it's just me and he can't win either way, but still. He's clearly a nice bloke, but in my opinion he is far too nice to be a better-than-mediocre manager. Top manager crack eggs to make an omelette. McLeish is IMO too interested in not upsetting people to not upset the fans. The best managers have an air of controversy about them and have their own way about things - McLeish is not principled yet not pragmatic. You'd have to be a very good manager to be able to come in under the circumstances McLeish did and truly win over the fans. Very good is something that McLeish most certainly is not and thus his position has become untenable through circumstance and performance. Honestly what is the point of him being here? Nobody wins except possibly his agent (and him, though no matter how much you paid me I wouldn't want to be the most hated person in the second largest city in the UK). If Lerner's concern is the pay-out, I GUARANTEE we will have lost more money through reduced attendances and a lower position in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-67 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 In seperate news Alex Mcleish is to appear on channel 4s hidden talent Hides it very well doesn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Scottish managers have a reputation for being good. So many good managers from north of the border. Jock stein, ferguson, graham, lambert, brown, the list goes on and on. Mcleish is doing his best to kill that stereotype over the last few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Telegraph hitting the nail bang on the head. By Cameron Macphail Last Updated: 2:30PM BST 25/04/2012 Search Wed 25 Apr 2012 Updated 7 mins ago Home » Sport » Aston Villa officially enter the relegation race - where did it all go wrong? Flipping Eck: the Villa fans are desperate to see the back of a disatrous season and manager Alex McLeish Photo: PA Disastrous home form, a complete lack of confidence and a long injury list. After defeat to Bolton last night and others around them finding some form, are Aston Villa doomed to be playing Championship Football next season? It's official. The 2-1 defeat last night to Bolton means that Aston Villa are in an authentic battle for Premier League survival. The club are now just three points above the bottom three and have won just one of their last 13 games. Villa's home record is the worst in the club’s history — in any division — and manager Alex McLeish is facing a third demotion from the Premier League in four seasons. The Villa Park faithful are in open rebellion and it is difficult to see how the former Birmingham City manager will win over a fanbase that was sceptical of him when he was appointed. He claims he has the backing of American owner Randy Lerner and chief executive Paul Faulkner but with only three games remaining it's hard to see where the points needed for survival will come from. The slow decline in Villa's fortunes since the departure of Martin O'Neill has accelerated under the hapless manager. Lerner hired McLeish to halt the slide at Villa Park, but regardless of the Scot's former affiliation with hated rivals Birmingham, it is his football acumen and chequered record that fans most object to. Negative tactics and poor decisions have destroyed confidence in the dressing room with Villa drawing 15 games. Villa have also dropped 20 points this season after being in a winning position, an absence of resilience that can be blamed on youthful inexperience, lack of leadership, lack of fitness or all of the above. In the game against Spurs in November he left Marc Albrighton and Charles N'Zogbia on the bench and placed striker Emile Heskey and right back Alan Hutton in midfield. Villa lost 2-0 and never looked like scoring. What McLeish can't be blamed for, however, is Villa's disastrous injury list, not to mention the loss of talismanic captain Stilyan Petrov, diagnosed with acute leukaemia earlier last month. Richard Dunne, James Collins and Fabian Delph are all currently crocked but the biggest loss is striker Darren Bent whose foot injury has ruled him out for the rest of the season. Villa need goals and Gabby Agbonlahor, no stranger to the treatment table himself this season, is struggling to find form. Villa are just one win clear and have three matches to secure survival. They travel to The Hawthorns on Saturday for a fixure against an in-form West Brom side who would love nothing more than to see their local rivals drop into the Championship. Next up is Spurs, who still have a Champions League (or possibly Europa League) place to play for, and Norwich City away will close out the season. It doesn't look good for McLeish's side. In an uneasy echo of Birmingham’s plight a year ago, Villa have forgotten how to win, and teams that lose form at the tail-end of the season are often the ones relegated. Wigan, QPR and, as was witnessed last night, Bolton are finding results. Villa need to follow suit or they are in serious trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Officially entered the relegation battle? The club has been in it for ages. As I said in the other thread, they are a bit slow to get the message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Not all the blame attached to McLeish from me for last night. Team looked good up till 62nd minute. Players on the pitch collapsed horribly, not his fault. He picked an iffy looking line up but Heskey played very well and I thought Zog showed glimpses as well. Big mistakes were not taking off Albrighton for Carruthers, and having Hutton on the pitch. Changes are needed at the top, we all know this, and I don't think it's fair to blame McLeish constantly for everything, as bad as he is. Randy and McLeish out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 From www.mcleishout.co.uk McLeish Out Day – 2nd Update #avfc APRIL 25, 2012 Just to keep you all informed for Mcleish Out Day. Yesterday I ordered four 8ft by 3 ft PVC banners – all with a different message – will post a photo when they arrive We now have approx £100 in the kitty towards the flyers, so we are still short if we want to get either 20,000 or 30,000. We need to make sure Mcleish Out Day is HUGE and we cant do it without your help. Up the Villa! McLEISH OUT! Chris DEADLINE FOR DONATIONS IS TUESDAY LUNCH TIME AS ORDER HAS TO BE IN FOR THAT DAY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 In protest (and it has been mentioned before) is cut your 'Proud History, Bright Future' scarf in half before the Spurs game and at the full time whistle throw the half that states 'Bright Future' onto the pitchside in disgust and then go home before the manager and player do the end of season 'walk of shame' around the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 In protest (and it has been mentioned before) is cut your 'Proud History, Bright Future' scarf in half before the Spurs game and at the full time whistle throw the half that states 'Bright Future' onto the pitchside in disgust and then go home before the manager and player do the end of season 'walk of shame' around the pitch. Pretty sure throwing stuff onto the pitch is an arrestable offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 In protest (and it has been mentioned before) is cut your 'Proud History, Bright Future' scarf in half before the Spurs game and at the full time whistle throw the half that states 'Bright Future' onto the pitchside in disgust and then go home before the manager and player do the end of season 'walk of shame' around the pitch. Pretty sure throwing stuff onto the pitch is an arrestable offence. And who the **** is going to arrest a large number of fans (who will be very irate)? I can't really see the overweight middle aged stewards doing much and the coppers won't have enough presence inside the ground to arrest anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 From www.mcleishout.co.uk McLeish Out Day – 2nd Update #avfc APRIL 25, 2012 Just to keep you all informed for Mcleish Out Day. Yesterday I ordered four 8ft by 3 ft PVC banners – all with a different message – will post a photo when they arrive We now have approx £100 in the kitty towards the flyers, so we are still short if we want to get either 20,000 or 30,000. We need to make sure Mcleish Out Day is HUGE and we cant do it without your help. Up the Villa! McLEISH OUT! Chris DEADLINE FOR DONATIONS IS TUESDAY LUNCH TIME AS ORDER HAS TO BE IN FOR THAT DAY. Erm, isn't this all about 11th hour now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 In protest (and it has been mentioned before) is cut your 'Proud History, Bright Future' scarf in half before the Spurs game and at the full time whistle throw the half that states 'Bright Future' onto the pitchside in disgust and then go home before the manager and player do the end of season 'walk of shame' around the pitch. Pretty sure throwing stuff onto the pitch is an arrestable offence. And who the **** is going to arrest a large number of fans (who will be very irate)? I can't really see the overweight middle aged stewards doing much and the coppers won't have enough presence inside the ground to arrest anyone. It's not what they do during the game, it's after. They will just review cameras and turn up to your house. They love making examples out of football fans. My mate (Arsenal fan) threw a empty water bottle that didn't even make it onto the pitch at the Emirates. Stewards saw it be thrown, but didn't know who it was. 4 weeks later police turned up, fined him and gave him a life time ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeps Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 still employed? Wow. I'm going to jump in the river. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldivisvilla Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Think also that P***k Grant has as much to do with it all. SHA went down the shitter once he joined them. had a look at his managerial and coaching career and its a picture of faliure before he teamed up with Mcleash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 In protest (and it has been mentioned before) is cut your 'Proud History, Bright Future' scarf in half before the Spurs game and at the full time whistle throw the half that states 'Bright Future' onto the pitchside in disgust and then go home before the manager and player do the end of season 'walk of shame' around the pitch. Pretty sure throwing stuff onto the pitch is an arrestable offence. And who the **** is going to arrest a large number of fans (who will be very irate)? I can't really see the overweight middle aged stewards doing much and the coppers won't have enough presence inside the ground to arrest anyone. It's not what they do during the game, it's after. They will just review cameras and turn up to your house. They love making examples out of football fans. My mate (Arsenal fan) threw a empty water bottle that didn't even make it onto the pitch at the Emirates. Stewards saw it be thrown, but didn't know who it was. 4 weeks later police turned up, fined him and gave him a life time ban. There is a difference between throwing a water bottle which could be construed as 'throwing a missile' and throwing half a woolly scarf on the ground in an act of disgust. The issue would still have to go to court and no court would see throwing a woolly scarf as an act of violence or aggression and akin to throwing a missile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Just donated to the collection towards banners and leaflets for McLeish Out Day. Please go to www.mcleishout.co.uk to make a donation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Think also that P***k Grant has as much to do with it all. SHA went down the shitter once he joined them. had a look at his managerial and coaching career and its a picture of faliure before he teamed up with Mcleash Thanks, saved me from typing it. There's nothing more annoying on a match day than seeing Grant continually screaming at our players, telling them exactly where to be stood etc. Let them play ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMcKenna Posted April 25, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted April 25, 2012 Birmingham Mail doing a Stay/Go vote on McLeish - 78.6% that he goes. Can someone do a short link please. I cant remember how :oops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Good Guardian piece There is no point skirting the issue. Alex McLeish's position has become untenable and it is almost inconceivable to think that he will still be the Aston Villa manager at the start of next season, irrespective of what division the club are in. When "**** Off McLeish, the Villa is ours" and "Sack McLeish, my lord" rang around the stadium in the closing stages of Tuesday night's highly damaging 2-1 home defeat by Bolton Wanderers, it was the majority, not a noisy minority, singing in unison. Villa fans never accepted McLeish in the first place and they want him out. Plain and simple. The brutal truth is that it is never going to work with McLeish in charge and anyone that still thinks otherwise is deluded. Randy Lerner, the Villa owner, and Paul Faulkner, the chief executive, must be able to see that now, even if they refused to believe that was the case when they made the extraordinary decision to appoint the Scot in the summer. Extraordinary not because McLeish came from Villa's rivals, Birmingham City. Extraordinary because McLeish had just suffered his second relegation with Birmingham in three Premier League seasons. And extraordinary because he is synonymous with a brand of football that, to borrow the former Villa manager Graham Taylor's recent description, "looks [like] you are preparing a side not to lose". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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