Hereford-Villan Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Not to sad to see him go. Although him and Dunne should both go after the dreadful couple of seasons they have had. Can't see it being Sunderland though as they have to many CBS as it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogso Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 I guess that guy who bowed at his feet while he was warming up at the Burton game will be disappointed. Unless that was his way of saying goodbye...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onje_villa Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 On his day, an excellent defender. I don't get to see as many games as I'd like live these days but I've seen him put his body on the line enough times. Think he'll get shipped out though due to the off-the-field stuff. Let's face it, everyone has been crap this last season or two, would be interesting to see how much better they are capable of with someone like Lambert as manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Bye Collins hopefully Warnock follows you aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 God please let this happen!!!!!! enjoy him sunderland fans lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 We should hire a minibus and drop any unwanted players outside the Stadium of Light with a FAO Martin O'Neill post-it note stuck on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Also linking to West Ham this morning. Hutton & Collins need to be moved on, still think Dunne has a role to play, saying that i would love to see Vlaar partner Clark right from the off this season.' Would that be the role of Town Drunk? If so i'd rather get rid. For someone on as high wage as Dunne you have to offer more than just experience. If last season and the Euros are anything to go by i rather watch some new defender coping with adapting to the PL than watch Dunne degenerating for yet another season Oh, and Collins can't go fast enough. He really can't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folski Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Killgallon linked to Blackburn with Collins coming in for him, as people said it's an easy link to make, with the Mon connection & Vlaar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 If he does go to Sunderland he will do well there because he fits what MON wants his CB's to do. i.e block the ball and hoof it away. When asked to do anything else he is really lacking. I will be glad to see him go - think he is in general an average to ok defender but the amount of times he gives the ball away is staggering. Add that to the fact he was part of a click that has ruined our club in last 2 years then good riddance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakid007 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Bye james Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 I'm not expecting Baresi and Maldini as centre backs but I'd like to see players who can at least attempt to play it out of defence. GTFO Collins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Aston Villa hope to offload James Collins to Sunderland when they bring in fellow defender Ron Vlaar. Villa are closing in on the signature of Feyenoord centre-back Vlaar, but while the 27-year-old has a buy-out clause, new boss Paul Lambert still has to balance the books. Ahhhh... So it is still "sell to buy". If we've got to raise enough cash from the sale of Collins to afford Vlaar, I guess we can write that transfer off. People should know that normally I have been the first to jump on any sign of potential criticism of the owner re our spend policy. However I have to say that I just do not believe that what you have suggested is the case at all, far from it. What we have is not sell to buy, we have a replace shit with better policy. Get rid of those who we can and who are shit and replace with those who we can get and who are better. Seems emminently reasonable to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troglodyte Posted July 18, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted July 18, 2012 We should hire a minibus and drop any unwanted players outside the Stadium of Light with a FAO Martin O'Neill post-it note stuck on them. Now this is a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 On Collins I will not be sad to see him go at all and I do believe he will be gone from us this summer. I also believe others will be departing and we will similarly improve the quality, this does not mean we have to sell to buy. We did not sell Hutton before we bought Lowton for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 What we have is not sell to buy, we have a replace shit with better policy. Get rid of those who we can and who are shit and replace with those who we can get and who are better. Seems emminently reasonable to meWhile I'm very keen to believe that Randy Lerner has suddenly transformed his squad investment strategy from the unbalanced and staggering approach he has applied since he took over the club to something more focused and clever, I'm afraid I won't believe it until I see it. What I have seen is that Vlaar came over to VP (for a chat with Lambert apparently), went back to the Netherlands making very positive statements about Villa and said "it's up to the clubs". Suddenly Lambert is playing it all down and then we get a story in the press about how he hopes to sell Collins to "balance the books". It's a perfectly reasonable interpretation that the purchase of Vlaar is on hold until some cash can be raised from the sale of Collins So it's a question really of whether your formulation of "Get rid of those who we can and who are shit and replace with those who we can get and who are better" is just an obvious statement of the principle of building a better squad or if the manager is shackled by having to do one thing (get rid of the shit) before he can do the second (replace with better). Which would be "sell to buy" and also not very helpful in the case of Vlaar, whose availabilty is now broadcast to the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaAlex Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 It's called being careful. If we sign Vlaar then we can't offload any of the defenders, we will be stuck with more than we need and it will cost us financially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 I think the obvious indication of that will be come end of the window and what our net spend is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CannockVillan Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 What we have is not sell to buy, we have a replace shit with better policy. Get rid of those who we can and who are shit and replace with those who we can get and who are better. Seems emminently reasonable to meWhile I'm very keen to believe that Randy Lerner has suddenly transformed his squad investment strategy from the unbalanced and staggering approach he has applied since he took over the club to something more focused and clever, I'm afraid I won't believe it until I see it. What I have seen is that Vlaar came over to VP (for a chat with Lambert apparently), went back to the Netherlands making very positive statements about Villa and said "it's up to the clubs". Suddenly Lambert is playing it all down and then we get a story in the press about how he hopes to sell Collins to "balance the books". It's a perfectly reasonable interpretation that the purchase of Vlaar is on hold until some cash can be raised from the sale of Collins So it's a question really of whether your formulation of "Get rid of those who we can and who are shit and replace with those who we can get and who are better" is just an obvious statement of the principle of building a better squad or if the manager is shackled by having to do one thing (get rid of the shit) before he can do the second (replace with better). Which would be "sell to buy" and also not very helpful in the case of Vlaar, whose availabilty is now broadcast to the market. I'm not saying you're wrong Briny but you've taken the best part of three different and unrelated sources (Vlaar, Lambert and i suspect a london rag) and put two and two together to make 5. That's the kind of reading between the lines that the Mirror does! If you take each on face value; 1. We want to sell Collins (and MON may or may not be interested); 2. Vlaar came over and was impressed and would like to sign; and 3. There's no imminent deal for Vlaar. The sell to buy point is purely press speculation - No quotes from anyone or the club on that as far as i can see. Nothing in there to suggest we wont buy Vlaar before getting rid. it might happen that way and indeed that might actually be required but it does annoy me when people regurgitate the press speculation only. It's fair to say that all 3 points above are true but its then a leap of pure faith to suggest that all means we are waiting to sell first. Like i said i'm not saying it's not in fact the case but i can't see that from the reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno_2004 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Incredibly poor positionally. Get his wages off the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 please god let this be true this will be the 3rd best news after 1)the unspoken one leaving 2)hutton leaving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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