sne Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, mikeyp102 said: So a quick look online shows that the highest season goal scorer in seria A is 36... have a feeling ronaldo will smash that to smithereens. Wouldn’t be surprised if he gets 50+ in his first season there Perhaps, but Serie A is a lot more composed, tactical and defensively solid than La Liga. For the most part teams doesn't just roll over either when the big boys come visit like they do in Spain. No doubt he'll bang them in for fun in Italy as well but I think it's easier to score 50 in Spain than in Italy. Will be fun watching him try tho. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 I **** hate Jube... This basically ensures them the title for another 5 years.. Meanwhile at Milan.. they have owners as bad as Xia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Ronaldo hits 30 in Serie A hard to say not best player ever. 3 biggest leagues he conquered Would imagine its end of higuain not dybala Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 11, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 11, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 That Ronaldo even managed to keep pace is impressive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 If he 'does it in Italy' then it certainly boosts his claim. Delivering big in the three top leagues can't be overlooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 13 hours ago, Zatman said: Ronaldo hits 30 in Serie A hard to say not best player ever. 3 biggest leagues he conquered Would imagine its end of higuain not dybala 4 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: If he 'does it in Italy' then it certainly boosts his claim. Delivering big in the three top leagues can't be overlooked. I don't understand the weird obsession with footballers only being judged "good enough" on what their nation does at an International tournament or whether or not they can score lots in different leagues. When in exactly the same league, at a time when Real Madrid delivered back-to-back-to-back CL victories, Messi outperformed Ronaldo. That's statistically, when just being an actually better footballer than him. He doesn't need to go the Premier League to show he can do it there too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 There is a site called messivsronaldo.net that has the stats from every seasons and combined. Career and since Ronaldo joined Real in 09. Since Ronaldo joined Real Messi has 472 goals and 172 assists in 476 games in all competitions Ronaldo has 450 goals and 119 assists in 438 games in all competitions. La Liga is Messi 329 goals in 309 games vs 311 in 292 games for Ronaldo CL Messi 83 in 92 vs 105 in 101 for Ronaldo. And so on So once again, they are both pretty decent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 24 minutes ago, sne said: There is a site called messivsronaldo.net that has the stats from every seasons and combined. Career and since Ronaldo joined Real in 09. Since Ronaldo joined Real Messi has 472 goals and 172 assists in 476 games in all competitions Ronaldo has 450 goals and 119 assists in 438 games in all competitions. La Liga is Messi 329 goals in 309 games vs 311 in 292 games for Ronaldo CL Messi 83 in 92 vs 105 in 101 for Ronaldo. And so on So once again, they are both pretty decent Staggering figures for both players. Ronaldo has a very marginally better goals per game ratio but its extremely tight. Breathtaking players. I would have thought Messi would be further ahead on the assists though. Does this mean Neymar for Madrid now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 49 minutes ago, Xela said: Staggering figures for both players. Ronaldo has a very marginally better goals per game ratio but its extremely tight. Breathtaking players. I would have thought Messi would be further ahead on the assists though. Does this mean Neymar for Madrid now? I suspect so, though I'd much rather sign Mbappe than Neymar. I doubt Mbappe is a big enough word removed to force a move through a year after signing for PSG whereas Neymar is. I can't see him being anywhere near enough to bridge the gap between a Ronaldo-less Real and Barca. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: I suspect so, though I'd much rather sign Mbappe than Neymar. I doubt Mbappe is a big enough word removed to force a move through a year after signing for PSG whereas Neymar is. I can't see him being anywhere near enough to bridge the gap between a Ronaldo-less Real and Barca. Mbappe has only just signed for PSG hasn't he? He was on loan last year Neymar - I can't stand him. If only he was as good as he thinks he is. Apparently he is poison at PSG having fallen out with both Cavani and Mbappe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Xela said: Mbappe has only just signed for PSG hasn't he? He was on loan last year Neymar - I can't stand him. If only he was as good as he thinks he is. Apparently he is poison at PSG having fallen out with both Cavani and Mbappe Didn't realise that. I guess it's one of the ways to get around the FFP, not that it really seems to matter at the top. If I were Real I wouldn't touch Neymar with someone else's barge pole but I doubt they think like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 On 11/07/2018 at 07:28, Dr_Pangloss said: If he 'does it in Italy' then it certainly boosts his claim. Delivering big in the three top leagues can't be overlooked. also having the balls to move clubs/countries to do it too. Easy option would be to stay at Madrid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Genie said: also having the balls to move clubs/countries to do it too. Easy option would be to stay at Madrid. It makes zero difference. Again, I don't understand the obsession with having to "prove it" in different leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Just now, bobzy said: It makes zero difference. Again, I don't understand the obsession with having to "prove it" in different leagues. that's a shame for you I think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Genie said: that's a shame for you I think. I wish someone could explain why it makes a difference. Or maybe the likes of Gerrard, Iniesta, Totti, Lampard, Pele, Maldini and the long list of similarly brilliant players who only managed to "do it" in one of the top European leagues were really just not that good after all? Edit: obv Pele not in Europe Edited July 12, 2018 by bobzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 13 minutes ago, Genie said: also having the balls to move clubs/countries to do it too. Easy option would be to stay at Madrid. you could also say he’d become less and less important at madrid and would have less opportunity to score goals, so a move to Italy in an arguably slower league as the number one man is the easier way to score more goals and stay relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 (edited) 48 minutes ago, bobzy said: I wish someone could explain why it makes a difference. Or maybe the likes of Gerrard, Iniesta, Totti, Lampard, Pele, Maldini and the long list of similarly brilliant players who only managed to "do it" in one of the top European leagues were really just not that good after all? Edit: obv Pele not in Europe IMO, if Messi and Ronaldo retired with identical records in every measureable way (goals, assists, titles, awards etc) Ronaldo would be considered the better player who had achieved more by doing it in 3 different top leagues, different sides, different languages, different cultures... We have seen many players have a lot of success in 1 place then move and it not work out. It takes a brave player to risk the legacy like that. Its nothing to do with 1 club players not being very good, just that players who move and still perform at the very highest levels are exceptional. Edited July 12, 2018 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 59 minutes ago, a m ole said: you could also say he’d become less and less important at madrid and would have less opportunity to score goals, so a move to Italy in an arguably slower league as the number one man is the easier way to score more goals and stay relevant. I think move to Serie A is quite risky though. Space wont be there like in La Liga or Premier League. He will still get about 20 goals for them but probably not the 40 he would get now Also players moving from Spain to Italy dont usually tend to do well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Genie said: IMO, if Messi and Ronaldo retired with identical records in every measureable way (goals, assists, titles, awards etc) Ronaldo would be considered the better player who had achieved more by doing it in 3 different top leagues, different sides, different languages, different cultures... We have seen many players have a lot of success in 1 place then move and it not work out. It takes a brave player to risk the legacy like that. Its nothing to do with 1 club players not being very good, just that players who move and still perform at the very highest levels are exceptional. It's a bit different coming through Barca's system to Sporting's. One is one of the biggest clubs in the world, the other is known as a stepping stone to bigger things, as to a degree were United. As Messi was the best player in the world already by the age of 19, no amount of money would have bought him for the next 10-15 years. There's also the fact that Messi is clearly the better footballer regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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