YankeeinMadrid Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Hoilett would cost as much as N'Zogbia .... Hoilett would cost 15m+ because he's 20, has 2 or 3 years left on his deal and is HIGHLY treasured by BRFC. His only drawback is that he's Canadian (blame Canada, etc.) Nzogbia is a good player...but we need to be very careful. If he has 1 great year he'll demand a move. The guy is also a bit of a nutcase, see Ireland. If we can get him for 10m or less, fine. If not, it starts to become a riskier move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brommy Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Nzogbia must be a hell of a player if he can replace Downing and Young. With those kind of talents I am surprised one of the big boys has not ben in for him already. Also with those kind of talents I would have thought he would be worth a lot more than the 10M or so we have bid. :? I don't see the point in your post or, if it has a rational meaning, what it would serve to acheive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanWA Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Everton can afford him they just need to sell before they can buy This makes no sense! I want to buy an apple but to have enough money I need to sell my banana first. Can I afford the apple before I sell my banana? :winkold: You have a problem, does the banana score more goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 If he has 1 great year he'll demand a move Do you think we are in any position to stop players doing that anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeeinMadrid Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 If he has 1 great year he'll demand a move Do you think we are in any position to stop players doing that anyway? Nope...but if we pay 10m or less we could double our money in a year. Anymore than that and it becomes riskier... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 We could organise a VillaTalk whip round if Randy is struggling to find an extra million quid or so. I'd happily stick a fiver in to make this happen. Randy nor any of us are allowed to put extra money into the club under the new Uefa FFP rules. The club can only spend what it earns. I think thatt only applies to wages. That said i'm sure man city will find a work around, so we should be able to aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_The_Villan Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 So im getting told the holdup over this is Wigan wanting 10m but we've only offered 9m??!! FFS Randy, just offer them what they want and lets get this done. We cant afford to be **** around at this present moment in time. This should be No1 priority. Nzogbia is a good player...but we need to be very careful. If he has 1 great year he'll demand a move. If we sign him it needs to be a long term contract. Im talking 5/6 years. Give him a three year contract and he will be off before you know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Randy nor any of us are allowed to put extra money into the club under the new Uefa FFP rules. The club can only spend what it earns. I think thatt only applies to wages. That said i'm sure man city will find a work around, so we should be able to aswell. No, it doesn't only apply to wages. i could go into much more detail, but that would be way off-topic. Man City don't need to find a work around, their revenue was £125m in 09/10 (Villa was £90m), and since then they have got CL football, plus £40m/year in stadium/shirt sponsorship (Villa's is £8m). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 So im getting told the holdup over this is Wigan wanting 10m but we've only offered 9m??!! FFS Randy, just offer them what they want and lets get this done. We cant afford to be **** around at this present moment in time. This should be No1 priority. i'm glad you don't run our football club. If we think he is only worth £9mill rather than £10m, then we need to hold our nerve. Do not offer them whatever they want. If we can't agree a price that we (Villa) are happy with, then we should walk away. This is the case for any player. Pay what we think he's worth, not just whatever the selling club want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 So im getting told the holdup over this is Wigan wanting 10m but we've only offered 9m??!! FFS Randy, just offer them what they want and lets get this done. We cant afford to be **** around at this present moment in time. This should be No1 priority. i'm glad you don't run our football club. If we think he is only worth £9mill rather than £10m, then we need to hold our nerve. Do not offer them whatever they want. If we can't agree a price that we (Villa) are happy with, then we should walk away. This is the case for any player. Pay what we think he's worth, not just whatever the selling club want. Agree that they shouldnt pay any more than they think the player is worth. But, if they dont think the player is worth £10m, then I fear that they do not have a realistic grasp of the current state of the transfer market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmygreaves Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Agree that they shouldnt pay any more than they think the player is worth. But, if they dont think the player is worth £10m, then I fear that they do not have a realistic grasp of the current state of the transfer market. The player was valued at £9 million in Jan by the selling club..... We've offered £9 million.. end of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hercs23 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Bid officially rejected by wigan on ssn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 oh dear.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_The_Villan Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 So im getting told the holdup over this is Wigan wanting 10m but we've only offered 9m??!! FFS Randy, just offer them what they want and lets get this done. We cant afford to be **** around at this present moment in time. This should be No1 priority. i'm glad you don't run our football club. If we think he is only worth £9mill rather than £10m, then we need to hold our nerve. Do not offer them whatever they want. If we can't agree a price that we (Villa) are happy with, then we should walk away. This is the case for any player. Pay what we think he's worth, not just whatever the selling club want. Hes clearly worth more than 10m but anyway, its not what WE think hes worth that matters. If Wigan say they want 10 and we only offer 9m then they are well within their rights to tell us to fook off. The selling club will dictate the price - as we saw with Downing. I just hope we dont miss out on him due to that extra 1m. Im sure you wont be so dissmissive of Wigans valuation if we do miss out on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Bid more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 We tried to set up a "Buy a player fund" on here in the ;ast year of Doug's reign. I thought those days were gone forever. Nzogbia must be a hell of a player if he can replace Downing and Young. With those kind of talents I am surprised one of the big boys has not ben in for him already. Also with those kind of talents I would have thought he would be worth a lot more than the 10M or so we have bid. Whats the point of this post, other than another snide comment at the board because they wont spend billions?I get that you do not agree with most if any of my opinions. I really do there is no need to quote everything I post to try and prove it anymore ! On this one what I am saying is Nzogbia should not be the replacement for both of the players we have sold this summer (Young and Downing) and if anyone thinks that then it is a mistake. If he was that good he would be in the top four by now The second bit was basically saying and I think the club have undervalued him if we rate him as that much quality (and actually if we are clear that he is our only replacement for those two players the selling club will also be aware of the fact that he is undervalued) The point that a bid has been rejected seems to support the view that he has been undervalued by us. A point we were gleefully using against Plop in their pursuit of Downing was it not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Dont increase the bid.. offer Heskey as an add on. they love him over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogso Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Really need a facepalm smilie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaboy69 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 pretty rare for first bids to ever be excepted - its part of the game I'm fairly certain we wouldn't have expected Wigan just to accept our initial offer and will be ready to increase. Although I'm sure we will also have a limit in mind which we aren't prepared to go over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 Most clubs reject the 1st offer for a player. Aren't we apparently meeting with them today to discuss a bid. We should tell them a final offer (£11m MAX) and if they say no we move on. Dave Whelan as already mugged us off once this summer and we should tell him to either accept one last offer or **** off. They can not afford to lose him on a free in a year, no other clubs are willing to pay the transfer fee and wage package, so maybe he doesn't have as much power over this deal as he thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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