villalad21 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) We all want him to start but let's take our villa goggles off and get real here. Whatever front 3 Gareth choose to go with it will be a damn strong one. England's attacking options are ridiculous Edited June 7, 2021 by villalad21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, villalad21 said: We all want him to start but let's take our villa goggles off and get real here. Whatever front 3 Gareth choose to go with it will be a damn strong one. England's attacking options are ridiculous You don’t need Villa goggles on to see how good Jack is 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfTimePost Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, villalad21 said: We all want him to start but let's take our villa goggles off and get real here. Whatever front 3 Gareth choose to go with it will be a damn strong one. England's attacking options are ridiculous Nah, too many of them are either in bad form or don't do it for England. Foden and Grealish have to start. Sterling, Rashford, Sancho just aren't at it either for club or country or both. The only thing I would say is Kane is better off with more direct players on the wing as he drops back into midfield a lot. There's a chance that doesn't work as well with both Grealish and Foden as they'll be looking for him and he'll be on the halfway line, or he'll be looking for them and they won't have gone yet. That would be my only risk, Kanes passing and releasing of the other forwards may work better with Sterling and Rashford on a counter. Similar to his many assists or key passes for Son and Bale this year. I still think you start Grealish, Foden and Kane as you play your form players and swap one out for Sterling or Rashford later if it isn't working, then take out a defensive midfielder (or a Centre Back) for DCL in the last 10 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, gwi1890 said: More or less, If Kane was half fit you’d take him no doubt, But Henderson hardly qualifies into this category? Tool. He might. He's a very good leader and definitely a positive influence around the place and I wouldn't really consider this season where Klopp for some reason decided to play him CB and Liverpool were in general just horrendous. In a 26 man squad with doubts over his fitness he'd be in my squad and if he is fully fit I'd be considering starting him in some sort of a setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okonokos Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, villalad21 said: We all want him to start but let's take our villa goggles off and get real here. Whatever front 3 Gareth choose to go with it will be a damn strong one. England's attacking options are ridiculous We don't need Villa goggles on to see that any England team with Grealish in it is light years ahead of one without him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 14 minutes ago, villalad21 said: We all want him to start but let's take our villa goggles off and get real here. Whatever front 3 Gareth choose to go with it will be a damn strong one. England's attacking options are ridiculous I’ll take my Villa goggles off if you take your Bielsa/Leeds goggles off. Deal? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, sparrow1988 said: Tool. He might. He's a very good leader and definitely a positive influence around the place and I wouldn't really consider this season where Klopp for some reason decided to play him CB and Liverpool were in general just horrendous. In a 26 man squad with doubts over his fitness he'd be in my squad and if he is fully fit I'd be considering starting him in some sort of a setup. And let’s not forget he’s a penalty specialist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted June 7, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 7, 2021 Kane will not need to come deep if Jack is supplying the passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: And let’s not forget he’s a penalty specialist. Is he? That too then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: I’ll take my Villa goggles off if you take your Bielsa/Leeds goggles off. Deal? It is difficult to do that when they were surgically attached. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 36 minutes ago, tinker said: Kane will not need to come deep if Jack is supplying the passes. That's probably a reason why grealish won't start Kane is coming deep, it's happening, so then you look at who is running past him That's sterling, foden, Mount, sancho, rashford...id put Jack at the bottom of that list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 51 minutes ago, HalfTimePost said: Nah, too many of them are either in bad form or don't do it for England. Foden and Grealish have to start. Sterling, Rashford, Sancho just aren't at it either for club or country or both. The only thing I would say is Kane is better off with more direct players on the wing as he drops back into midfield a lot. There's a chance that doesn't work as well with both Grealish and Foden as they'll be looking for him and he'll be on the halfway line, or he'll be looking for them and they won't have gone yet. That would be my only risk, Kanes passing and releasing of the other forwards may work better with Sterling and Rashford on a counter. Similar to his many assists or key passes for Son and Bale this year. I still think you start Grealish, Foden and Kane as you play your form players and swap one out for Sterling or Rashford later if it isn't working, then take out a defensive midfielder (or a Centre Back) for DCL in the last 10 This is spot on - Kane definitely plays better with more direct runners around him, but ultimately Grealish, Foden and Kane have the footballing intelligence to link up well regardless, and they are all in incredible form. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPower_14 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 hour ago, gwi1890 said: You don’t need Villa goggles on to see how good Jack is Yep, I think the worm has turned here. He's not just a player with potential or an option off the bench anymore. My workmates are a mix of fans of superleague clubs and championship clubs and they've all got Jack in the work Euros fantasy league and think he should be starting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 7, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 hour ago, gwi1890 said: Danny Mills using a poor excuse of Jack Grealish being injured and only playing the last 2 games of the season to justify Henderson being selected , but it’s a totally different with Jack there’s not a player in england similar to Jack, but plenty of Jordan Henderson’s about , I’d go as far as to say Ward Prowse is better. Was this on talk sport again perchance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, KentVillan said: This is spot on - Kane definitely plays better with more direct runners around him, but ultimately Grealish, Foden and Kane have the footballing intelligence to link up well regardless, and they are all in incredible form. Sorry but all teams need to do to totally nullify that attack is play a high line, as there are zero quick runners in behind. What we have here is World Cup 66 dilemma. Play your best striker (Greaves then, Kane now) who doesn't really fit into how the remaining ten players play or play a lesser striker that with still score goals and fits in with the players around him (Hurst then, DCL now). You need a Runner in behind in one of those attacking positions. This is why I'd go with a 4-2-3-1 and play Jack no 10, Kane CF, then Sterling and Rashford wide, and hope the widemen can play themselves into form as they're both fine players. I'd play Rice and Mount as the 2 deep midfielders. But I'd switch it up for the Czech Republic match and bring in Henderson, Phillps, Foden, Sancho, and DCL. But I have a feeling the 3-4-3 is coming out for Croatia and Trippier will be right wing back, with Walker RCB. And Southgate will squander the array of attacking talent we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Just now, sidcow said: Was this on talk sport again perchance? Danny Murphy sorry! He’s so irrelevant I mix him up his bald counterpart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 7, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, gwi1890 said: Danny Murphy sorry! He’s so irrelevant I mix him up his bald counterpart Well at least he's not deliberately said to to generate angry people phoning in on premium rate phone numbers then. Although Danny Murphy literally hates everything about Aston Villa so that will have informed much of his statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazmonkey Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 i wouldnt listen to Danny Murphy....part of the liverpool media mafia. He cant say a single thing without mentioning....when i was at liverpool. He has just announced his starting 11 for the croatia.....what a tube. Grealish on the bench. Part of me wants Grealish to do well at the Euro's but the the other half says if he doesnt play then hopefully it will cool the interest in him and we can have a relaxed summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Bazmonkey said: i wouldnt listen to Danny Murphy....part of the liverpool media mafia. He cant say a single thing without mentioning....when i was at liverpool. He has just announced his starting 11 for the croatia.....what a tube. Grealish on the bench. Part of me wants Grealish to do well at the Euro's but the the other half says if he doesnt play then hopefully it will cool the interest in him and we can have a relaxed summer He always looks so angry 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 48 minutes ago, Philosopher said: Sorry but all teams need to do to totally nullify that attack is play a high line, as there are zero quick runners in behind. What we have here is World Cup 66 dilemma. Play your best striker (Greaves then, Kane now) who doesn't really fit into how the remaining ten players play or play a lesser striker that with still score goals and fits in with the players around him (Hurst then, DCL now). You need a Runner in behind in one of those attacking positions. This is why I'd go with a 4-2-3-1 and play Jack no 10, Kane CF, then Sterling and Rashford wide, and hope the widemen can play themselves into form as they're both fine players. I'd play Rice and Mount as the 2 deep midfielders. But I'd switch it up for the Czech Republic match and bring in Henderson, Phillps, Foden, Sancho, and DCL. But I have a feeling the 3-4-3 is coming out for Croatia and Trippier will be right wing back, with Walker RCB. And Southgate will squander the array of attacking talent we have. Nah. I mean you're right that a high line is what you'd attempt, but the idea that it would "totally nullify" players of their quality is just wrong. Man City have played a front 3 of Foden, De Bruyne, and Silva/Mahrez which is a very similar setup, and destroyed PSG's defence with it. No need for a Sterling/Rashford type player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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