A thread about how dense Jordan Peterson is

[fruitvilla]

8 hours ago, choffer said:

Funny how he can think himself to be something he’s not (we judge him by his actions rather than his opinion of himself) but doesn't believe others should be allowed to be who they are.

And how do you think of yourself? How familiar are you (and your cohort) with classical British liberal philosophy?

[limpid]

4 hours ago, fruitvilla said:

How familiar are you (and your cohort) with classical British liberal philosophy?

There is no such thing.

[KentVillan]

5 hours ago, fruitvilla said:

And how do you think of yourself? How familiar are you (and your cohort) with classical British liberal philosophy?

I studied political philosophy at university, so I’m relatively familiar, although by no means an expert … this “classical liberal” thing that keeps doing the rounds on the alt right “critical thinker” circuit is largely anachronistic nonsense that cherrypicks bits and pieces from different writers where convenient to an argument.

I think they like using the term “classical liberalism” because it implies society took a wrong turn somewhere, and that they are returning to first principles.

In reality, the flaws and contradictions in Mill or Smith or whoever someone wants to lump in (you see Friedman too) have been discussed at length in mainstream academia ever since … and that’s not to say these guys weren’t great thinkers - for sure they were geniuses - but idolising specific people instead of addressing their ideas and the critiques of their ideas is why we end up with stuff like the cult of Peterson.

The problem is that nowadays “classical liberalism” tends to be a euphemism for a kind of alpha male libertarianism, more in line with Ayn Rand than with J S Mill. It gets caught up in the same contradictions as libertarianism - ie societies and communities *do* exist, the state / public sector provably delivers some things more efficiently than unfettered free markets, and there is a social contract that needs administering through democratic institutions and means we have a mix of rights and obligations as citizens.

Lobster mating behaviour hasn’t massively helped me work through those ideas in my own mind, but as I said, I’m not an expert.

[StefanAVFC]

Carl Benjamin classes himself as a ‘Sensible Centrist’ so I really think we shouldn’t be listening to what people class themselves as, and look at their politics instead. 

[maqroll]

21 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said:

Well I can’t do Andrew Tate, Alex Jones and only Rogan in small doses. Jordan Peterson is a few classes above so that stereotype is certainly wrong. 

There's an extra hot corner of Hell awaiting Alex Jones for what he put the Sandy Hook families through. Absolute human sewage.

[Rugeley Villa]

7 minutes ago, maqroll said:

There's an extra hot corner of Hell awaiting Alex Jones for what he put the Sandy Hook families through. Absolute human sewage.

Utter bellend 

[Chindie]

Jones is a completely vacuous waste of oxygen. A pure grifter who peddles right wing Christian hatred through the lens of ridiculous lies as a means to make himself very rich.

One of those people that you would genuinely celebrate the death of. He's horrific.

He's probably too comical to compare to Peterson though. Peterson isn't peddling stuff that is obviously, clearly complete bollocks (I recall listening to Jones pushing a guest that genuinely believed there was a secret military base underneath Galveston Texas that contained weaponised attack baboons. He also openly stated that children were being given fruit juice that made them gay), he has a veneer of legitimacy, and deals in superficially 'high' concepts, but uses that to attack those he dislikes. Which basically, shock horror, boils down to everything right wing conservatives don't like.

[leemond2008]

9 minutes ago, Chindie said:

Jones is a completely vacuous waste of oxygen. A pure grifter who peddles right wing Christian hatred through the lens of ridiculous lies as a means to make himself very rich.

One of those people that you would genuinely celebrate the death of. He's horrific.

He's probably too comical to compare to Peterson though. Peterson isn't peddling stuff that is obviously, clearly complete bollocks (I recall listening to Jones pushing a guest that genuinely believed there was a secret military base underneath Galveston Texas that contained weaponised attack baboons. He also openly stated that children were being given fruit juice that made them gay), he has a veneer of legitimacy, and deals in superficially 'high' concepts, but uses that to attack those he dislikes. Which basically, shock horror, boils down to everything right wing conservatives don't like.

I love listening to Alex Jones sometimes, not the hurtful stuff like the Sandy Hook comments, but when he goes off on passionate rants about chemicals in water turning frogs gay, I find it hilarious, the man is comedy gold at times.

[chrisp65]

11 minutes ago, Chindie said:

Jones is a completely vacuous waste of oxygen. A pure grifter who peddles right wing Christian hatred through the lens of ridiculous lies as a means to make himself very rich.

One of those people that you would genuinely celebrate the death of. He's horrific.

He's probably too comical to compare to Peterson though. Peterson isn't peddling stuff that is obviously, clearly complete bollocks (I recall listening to Jones pushing a guest that genuinely believed there was a secret military base underneath Galveston Texas that contained weaponised attack baboons. He also openly stated that children were being given fruit juice that made them gay), he has a veneer of legitimacy, and deals in superficially 'high' concepts, but uses that to attack those he dislikes. Which basically, shock horror, boils down to everything right wing conservatives don't like.

The scary thing is, I’d never heard of him. I googled him and saw the venom and the hate and the bullshit within a minute.

Then, no offence but @Rugeley Villa states he likes him and thinks he’s compassionate. It’s scary out there.

[Chindie]

Just now, leemond2008 said:

I love listening to Alex Jones sometimes, not the hurtful stuff like the Sandy Hook comments, but when he goes off on passionate rants about chemicals in water turning frogs gay, I find it hilarious, the man is comedy gold at times.

I listen to the Knowledge Fight podcast, which covers him and his shit and debunks basically everything that comes out of his mouth in an amusing fashion.

The episodes where they got access to the deposition videos of him being questioned over his and his company's horrendous actions over Sandy Hook are gold. Extended sessions of a hate filled word removed being skewered by a series of lawyers who had true professional disdain for him and his company and it's staff.

[Chindie]

2 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

The scary thing is, I’d never heard of him. I googled him and saw the venom and the hate and the bullshit within a minute.

Then, no offence but @Rugeley Villa states he likes him and thinks he’s compassionate. It’s scary out there.

Indeed.

Then remember that there's a significant population of people that think he's a messiah figure, a thought leader who should be listened to to direct the way people live their lives at every level. Who can sell multiple volumes of books on rules to live by, who attacks everything he doesn't like which veers from trans people to anyone he doesn't personally think is attractive.

He's horrible.

[Xann]

If you don't enter the Ukraine thread?

[Rugeley Villa]

30 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

The scary thing is, I’d never heard of him. I googled him and saw the venom and the hate and the bullshit within a minute.

Then, no offence but @Rugeley Villa states he likes him and thinks he’s compassionate. It’s scary out there.

I like to take people at face value 

[A'Villan]

 

[Chindie]

19 minutes ago, Xann said:

If you don't enter the Ukraine thread?

He's a big old fan of Putin. Apparently. It's lucrative to him to be so seemingly anyway.

[Xann]

2 minutes ago, Chindie said:

He's a big old fan of Putin. Apparently. It's lucrative to him to be so seemingly anyway.

That clip should be edited together with the Solovyov Let's Nuke The North Sea speech and the Jones court case findings.

[Demitri_C]

1 hour ago, leemond2008 said:

I love listening to Alex Jones sometimes, not the hurtful stuff like the Sandy Hook comments, but when he goes off on passionate rants about chemicals in water turning frogs gay, I find it hilarious, the man is comedy gold at times.

It is hilarous some of the stuff he says. I saw a video of him being interviewed by some woman called pearl and he goes deep into some serious conspiracy stuff about saturn worshipping. You could see pearl was thinking wtf is this dude on about

 

[Rugeley Villa]

The bloke has a couple of doughnuts missing. 

[maqroll]

Alex Jones would emulate that Rwandan deejay if he's given cover to do it.

[chrisp65]

1 hour ago, Rugeley Villa said:

I like to take people at face value 

He commented on a picture of a girl with anorexia that she was still fat, the man’s a pig.