paul514 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 11 minutes ago, est1874 said: Chemical Abstracts Service? No, I should think they can't Court of arbitration for sport 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 37 minutes ago, paul514 said: Court of arbitration for sport Jesus. Tough crowd in here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 hours ago, nick76 said: I would be totally gutted if we sold Luiz for £100m and brought Phillips for £50m as an example. Even selling Luiz for £120m and buying Phillips for £40m would still be gutting. I wouldn’t. If we sold him for 120m it’s almost pure profit that allows you to buy a few hundred million pounds worth of players. the occasional massive sale would do wonders for our buying power. if the owners want to put that kind of money in. If. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted January 12 VT Supporter Share Posted January 12 34 minutes ago, paul514 said: I wouldn’t. If we sold him for 120m it’s almost pure profit that allows you to buy a few hundred million pounds worth of players. the occasional massive sale would do wonders for our buying power. if the owners want to put that kind of money in. If. Seen nothing to suggest they would not 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeypuzzle Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 12 minutes ago, paul514 said: I wouldn’t. If we sold him for 120m it’s almost pure profit that allows you to buy a few hundred million pounds worth of players. the occasional massive sale would do wonders for our buying power. if the owners want to put that kind of money in. If. Is there a player in his position that is better than Douglas Luiz, who would come to Villa, or who would cost less than £120 million? I don't think there is. So selling him for any amount would leave us worse off. I don't think we are that desperate for money that we need to sell our best players. Usually a club can sell their best player for a huge sum and reinvest that money in players that improve the whole team. Liverpool did that when they sold Coutinho. Sometimes this strategy can go wrong though and the new players don't lift the team enough to recover from the loss. This happened to Spurs when they sold Bale and us when we sold Grealish. Aston Villa this season are in a slightly different situation now though. If we sold our best players there simply aren't good enough replacements available and the overall strength of the starting eleven is too good to strengthen other areas enough to make up for the loss. If we sold Martinez we are losing the world's best goalkeeper who is also a vital personality in the dressing room. The only comparible keepers are at Liverpool and Man City, who wouldn't sell to us and even then wouldn't have the same effect on the dressing room. If we sold Douglas Luiz I can't think of any player in the world who would influence our midfield in quite the same way. He could quite easily start for Man City, Bayern Munich or Real Madrid. If there are players capable of what he does then they already play for a top Champions League team and again, they won't sell them to us. Even players like Haaland and Kane wouldn't contribute as much to the team as Ollie Watkins does at the moment. They are better goal scorers but they don't contribute as much in other ways. What we would lose by selling our best would outweigh what we might gain by upgrading in positions like Matty Cash's, John McGinn's or Jacob Ramsey's. We need to sell off expendable players, quality youngsters and take advantage of special circumstances (Dybala's contract for example and free transfers) to improve our weakest positions. Weakest being a relative term. We are, after all, second in the Premier League, over half way through an injury riddled season. It is much harder to improve now than it was even a year ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexvilla4 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 If we did sell Luiz for £100m +, of course I don't want us to as I love the guy, but if we did then I think smart tactics would be to put £40m down straight away for Palhinha who would settle in right away and then buy a top wonderkid midfielder who would be ready in a year or two 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beasley14 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 There are always other players that can be brought in that will become the next Luiz or Grealish etc. Its finding them before they become that expensive that's the difficult part. It's a bit far fetched to say we couldn't replace them, every team replaces a top player from time to time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burchy Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 I’d go for Joey Veerman from PSV for the Luiz role, regardless if we sold Luiz. He’s quality. Ideally I’d like Luiz AND Veerman. Get in Vermeeren for Kamara cover and we’d be good to go, cost us between 40/50m what with the 13-17m release clause for Vermeeren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoVillan1983 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Reading all the FFP stuff, listening to Emery, it seems we should prepare ourselves for not doing any business this month. I'm supportive of that if it's what the team has decided is best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) If FFP is impacting all clubs as much as we’re hearing then nobody is spending 100m on Douglas Luiz. Maybe the ridiculous valuations of players might start to come down in the next few seasons. Edited January 12 by Vive_La_Villa 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 hours ago, Follyfoot said: Seen nothing to suggest they would not Me neither but that’s the only retraction from that scenario 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, Monkeypuzzle said: Is there a player in his position that is better than Douglas Luiz, who would come to Villa, or who would cost less than £120 million? I don't think there is. So selling him for any amount would leave us worse off. I don't think we are that desperate for money that we need to sell our best players. Usually a club can sell their best player for a huge sum and reinvest that money in players that improve the whole team. Liverpool did that when they sold Coutinho. Sometimes this strategy can go wrong though and the new players don't lift the team enough to recover from the loss. This happened to Spurs when they sold Bale and us when we sold Grealish. Aston Villa this season are in a slightly different situation now though. If we sold our best players there simply aren't good enough replacements available and the overall strength of the starting eleven is too good to strengthen other areas enough to make up for the loss. If we sold Martinez we are losing the world's best goalkeeper who is also a vital personality in the dressing room. The only comparible keepers are at Liverpool and Man City, who wouldn't sell to us and even then wouldn't have the same effect on the dressing room. If we sold Douglas Luiz I can't think of any player in the world who would influence our midfield in quite the same way. He could quite easily start for Man City, Bayern Munich or Real Madrid. If there are players capable of what he does then they already play for a top Champions League team and again, they won't sell them to us. Even players like Haaland and Kane wouldn't contribute as much to the team as Ollie Watkins does at the moment. They are better goal scorers but they don't contribute as much in other ways. What we would lose by selling our best would outweigh what we might gain by upgrading in positions like Matty Cash's, John McGinn's or Jacob Ramsey's. We need to sell off expendable players, quality youngsters and take advantage of special circumstances (Dybala's contract for example and free transfers) to improve our weakest positions. Weakest being a relative term. We are, after all, second in the Premier League, over half way through an injury riddled season. It is much harder to improve now than it was even a year ago. In my opinion that is just hyperbole he isn’t the best midfielder in world football, he isn’t easily replaced but we have a manager and director of football who will work in tandem to improve the squad to increase the output of the team as a whole. tbh I think fans like you don’t get the benefits of selling say 3 players for that sort of price over a 5 year period if the owners want to invest it would completely transform us into champions league challengers every year 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 5 minutes ago, paul514 said: fans like you Oh no. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villastine Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 We have a chance of winning the league. If we find a player that increases that we'll try to sign him. We're obviously not selling anyone outside of the spares. Quite window for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 I say we just spend the money, say screw you to FFP and then sue like Man City does to continually avoid any kind of repercussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 17 minutes ago, Aston_Villan4 said: I say we just spend the money, say screw you to FFP and then sue like Man City does to continually avoid any kind of repercussions. Man City will get done and Chelsea too probably just matter of time. Date set for City. People can say they'll get slap on the wrist but I don't think so. I'd be very worried if City fan and Chelsea too. Monday will be interesting when PL releases all clubs that have breached profit and sustainability rules. Could see several points deductions handed out. Hopefully we're ok 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 37 minutes ago, Aston_Villan4 said: I say we just spend the money, say screw you to FFP and then sue like Man City does to continually avoid any kind of repercussions. I don't, I would rather not get points deducted and fined ty. Having said that I would spend the absolute maximum this window 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 6 hours ago, est1874 said: Jesus. Tough crowd in here Jesus would struggle in his home town these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Villa do not REALLY need to spend. Players coming back will strengthen the team; Torres, Tielemens etc and Cash/Konsa can work for the remainder of the season at RB. I presume we will be in a good position to spend money in the Summer if we qualify for CL? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 i wonder if anyone will even come in for Chambers or Traore. Would be great to get them off the books, even for free, or a very small fee. between then, they are on about 130k p/w, getting that off the books would be nice. With Traores lack of fitness/constant injuries, and Chambers being....Chambers, i dunno. On another note, is Coutinho coming back from his loan or not?, seems to have gone quiet that one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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