TRO Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 8 hours ago, rodders0223 said: Whenever a footballer gets done for gambling it is addiction, they can't just be bored young kids? In my younger days I couldn't go a Saturday or Sunday or watch any game on TV without putting a bet on. I wasn't addicted I just enjoyed it. Its all down to interpretation.....too much of anything we like, can be challenging....even watching the Villa. I think when it impedes on other aspects of your daily life like making ends meet....then its a problem....it can also drag innocent parties in like wives and family, who have to go without. I think there is a distinct difference from someone who has control over their gambling activities, budgets for it, and treats it for what it should be entertainment....then thats fine IMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon66 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, DaveAV1 said: If anyone goes to the cinema when the pubs are open, they’re seriously missusing their leisure time! I blame the parents..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marka Ragnos Posted October 20, 2023 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, TRO said: I think when it impedes on other aspects of your daily life like making ends meet....then its a problem. I'm a recovering addict (not gambling, but something else), and for me the line was when it wasn't fun anymore, when it started to feel like something I had to do, almost like an awful job. That's when I knew I'd crossed into addiction. Of course, what I did never hurt the integrity of a professional sport watched by millions. It hurt other things, but not that. So I think that''s unique with gambling in sport by players and coaches, etc. Edited October 20, 2023 by Marka Ragnos 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted October 21, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 21, 2023 On 20/10/2023 at 07:53, rodders0223 said: Whenever a footballer gets done for gambling it is addiction, they can't just be bored young kids? In my younger days I couldn't go a Saturday or Sunday or watch any game on TV without putting a bet on. I wasn't addicted I just enjoyed it. Fagioli looked to be well in the shit, Tonali's defense lawyers might have seen the leniency to Fagioli and gone the same route. Dunno, there's certainly some voices in the game over here who have been saying having an account with a bookie doesn't make you a gambling addict. There's a line though and if the culture of the young players on these massive, massive, wages is one where gambling is rife. There's going to be a lot of them that go too far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbertoAVFC Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) On 21/10/2023 at 08:30, romavillan said: Fagioli looked to be well in the shit, Tonali's defense lawyers might have seen the leniency to Fagioli and gone the same route. Dunno, there's certainly some voices in the game over here who have been saying having an account with a bookie doesn't make you a gambling addict. There's a line though and if the culture of the young players on these massive, massive, wages is one where gambling is rife. There's going to be a lot of them that go too far. I've worked in the sector for a long time (specifically anti match-fixing) and essentially being a rich footballer is a perfect storm for fuelling gambling addiction. Obviously you not only have a massive increase in access compared to back-in-the-day (can sign up in literally seconds), you also have a massive increase in social acceptance which stems from advertising. As a result, a lot of these younger players' mates from their youth will talk about betting very openly. However, being a rich footballer heightens the risk even further. You must be ultra-competitive to make it to the highest-level. Which personality is one of the most prone to gambling? Highly competitive people who think they can "beat" the house/others in the case of poker/exchanges. You then have the fact you have all this spare time and free cash, and potentially a lack of education on how to handle that. The amount invested into mitigating this risk is nowhere near what it should be. It should really be precedent across the world that if you can gamble on a competition, its participants must take part in an educational program to highlight the risks. You can't legislate for gambling in all cases of course, but such measures are definitely not standard for all competitions when they really should be. Edited October 22, 2023 by gilbertoAVFC 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 22, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 22, 2023 Hope he's backed himself to score this afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted October 22, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, gilbertoAVFC said: specifically anti match-fixing Sounds very interesting, across what competitions? State or FA/UEFA/FIFA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbertoAVFC Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, romavillan said: Sounds very interesting, across what competitions? State or FA/UEFA/FIFA? Private company Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted October 22, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 22, 2023 That investigates on behalf of whom? Football authorities? You'd think it's in the league's/authorities interest to be all over this every week to insure integrity of the competition etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taxahunter Posted October 22, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 22, 2023 Great to see him starting today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 On 20/10/2023 at 16:46, Dillon66 said: I blame the parents..... I agree they don’t give the kids the guidance they need these days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slovenian Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 On 20/10/2023 at 17:46, Dillon66 said: I blame the parents..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted October 22, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted October 22, 2023 He's going down in the 60th minute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Zanolo is not for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Thought he had a good game today - or, at least, very good first half. Was instrumental in almost everything good that we did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Not bad but backwards steps in the last two games IMO. Mind perhaps not in the right place. That position in the XI is massively up for grabs and him and Bailey both have the chance to do something before Ramsey is back. Ball back in Leon's court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Looked tired around 60 minutes - was right to bring him off. Very good first half mind you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Not sure he offers more than Bailey but I trust in the manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 19 minutes ago, Pinebro said: Zanolo is not for me Yes, we heard you the first time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Not bad but backwards steps in the last two games IMO. Mind perhaps not in the right place. That position in the XI is massively up for grabs and him and Bailey both have the chance to do something before Ramsey is back. Ball back in Leon's court. What a position to be in Zaniolo and Bailey, who are both OK, battling it out to play before Ramsey who is very good comes back in with then also Buendia in the treatment room 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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