Popular Post Adam2003 Posted October 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2023 I think he’s great but I thought the same about Douglas Luiz and Jack Grealish when loads on here were writing them off so what do I know? 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Has anyone watched Doku at Man City who we all wanted here? I would say that Zaniolo is the better buy. Of course time will tell…. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 20 minutes ago, thunderball said: Has anyone watched Doku at Man City who we all wanted here? I would say that Zaniolo is the better buy. Of course time will tell…. To be fair Doku has done ok for them. I do like Zaniolo though, as others have said, I feel he has all the ingredients to be a very good PL player. Just needs one of his rockets to go in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 57 minutes ago, thunderball said: Has anyone watched Doku at Man City who we all wanted here? I would say that Zaniolo is the better buy. Of course time will tell…. Doku has been good. Nowadays people deem a transfer a failure if they haven't produced Bellingham numbers in the first 10 games. World's gone mad. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strog Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 2 hours ago, thunderball said: Has anyone watched Doku at Man City who we all wanted here? I would say that Zaniolo is the better buy. Of course time will tell…. We haven’t bought him as he’s on loan, but there may be an option to buy at the end of the loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 11 minutes ago, Strog said: We haven’t bought him as he’s on loan, but there may be an option to buy at the end of the loan. Isn't the deal based on us mandatorily buying him iif he plays a certain number of games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 On 09/10/2023 at 05:40, Pinebro said: Another Traore imo Nowhere near good enough for a team pushing for top 4 but he will have to do for now till we can get an improvement. They tend to look down not up. Not aware of their surroundings which results in making the wrong decisions during key moments. Not sure about this. The guy is still adapting and getting up to speed. He's been unlucky not to have scored a few thunderbolts so far either. I'm not actually expecting anything from him until atleast January, but what he's shown so far is promising and why he's going to be vital and lethal once he gets going. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 9 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: Not sure about this. The guy is still adapting and getting up to speed. He's been unlucky not to have scored a few thunderbolts so far either. I'm not actually expecting anything from him until atleast January, but what he's shown so far is promising and why he's going to be vital and lethal once he gets going. I see his lack of decision making and football IQ and I see similar things. As been said I hope I am proved wrong but his first impressions leaves me pessimistic. He might be very skillful and have a lot of flair but the most important thing for a footballer, especially for an attacking player bar none, is his decision making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Pinebro said: I see his lack of decision making and football IQ and I see similar things. As been said I hope I am proved wrong but his first impressions leaves me pessimistic. He might be very skillful and have a lot of flair but the most important thing for a footballer, especially for an attacking player bar none, is his decision making. I get these concerns, but I think it's a result of the situation we've found ourselves in. In games where we're struggling to score, and Watkins is having an off day, he's taking the initiative to have a go. In other games we've been comfortable and he's trying his hardest to get his first goal so perhaps then making the odd decision to shoot when he should pass. I dont think it's something to worry about yet, and after his first goal flies in I'm sure he'll get the confidence he needs to relax and the right option will be picked by him far more often than not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvonVillain Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Won't none of you listen to Stuart Pearce!? I quote: "Doesn't look like he's got a trick in him to beat his man". Time to cut our losses. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strog Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 2 hours ago, Don_Simon said: Isn't the deal based on us mandatorily buying him iif he plays a certain number of games? No idea to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 15 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: To be fair Doku has done ok for them. I do like Zaniolo though, as others have said, I feel he has all the ingredients to be a very good PL player. Just needs one of his rockets to go in. It’s not a criticism of Doku, I wanted him here and have followed him with interest at city. The point is for the hype and £55m there’s not much between them. Yes Doku has scored, but at less than £30m (option) Zaniolo looks good value and suited to this league every bit as much as Doku. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Everyone is entitled to their opinion but how on earth can someone make their mind up a player isn’t good enough after a handful of games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Zaniolo is still very young and acclimatising to the rigours of PL football and Professor Emery; he will hopefully continue to improve and become a good player for Villa. However signs are decent and he could have easily already scored a couple, he's been unlucky. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) I think he's OK, statistically poor given how many goals we're scoring but he's OK, there's definitley something in there it's just a case of if it ever drops for him I don't think he's "not good enough" but the jury would still be out for me on whether or not we pay the £40m or whatever it was for him but that would also depend on what else monchi can find, easy to say we can just go out and get better (agree Doku has had a better start) but that's not necessarily the reality He is a step up on what we've had in that squad role in previous years imo but he'll be behind Diaby, Ramsey, Buendia if they were all fit, as a stop gap while Buendia is injured he's fine Edited October 12, 2023 by villa4europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skarroki Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 On 11/10/2023 at 09:51, Pinebro said: I see his lack of decision making and football IQ and I see similar things. As been said I hope I am proved wrong but his first impressions leaves me pessimistic. He might be very skillful and have a lot of flair but the most important thing for a footballer, especially for an attacking player bar none, is his decision making. This is where schools of thought clash. Most important thing in an attacking player for me, is skill and flair. If I watch a game on the weekend I want to see the skill and flair and things that make you edge forward on your seat. Of course the best have both, I would say Grealish was on the level of doing both those things, but they're extremely rare players and extremely expensive. Some of the flair that Zaniolo has is unteachable. The bits that he needs to improve on, we've got one of the best coaching staff and manager in world football to make that happen. The guy is very young and has missed a lot of development time due to injury. Considering the time out injured, he's played a lot, and at a very high level so far in his career, he's not long 24 and has been a big part of winning teams. Mourinho is well documented as rarely giving youth a chance but Zaniolo is playing and scoring the winning goal in the conference final for him at 22. Overall, he's come back from injury in a new league with a new squad and doesn't know the country or any of the squad or coaches. He's played 470 minutes and has nearly scored two absolute worldies. We've won the 3 games he's started in the league, Chelsea and Brighton two of those which aren't exactly guaranteed points. Warsaw is the only outlier but that was bad defending that cost us, we created enough to win. I think he's finding his feet and looking good and he's not costing the team with anything he does. I also think Emery likes him and trusts him and that is 90% of the battle won when evaluating a player these days in my opinion. If Emery is on board I am too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 hour ago, villa4europe said: I think he's OK, statistically poor given how many goals we're scoring but he's OK, there's definitley something in there it's just a case of if it ever drops for him I don't think he's "not good enough" but the jury would still be out for me on whether or not we pay the £40m or whatever it was for him but that would also depend on what else monchi can find, easy to say we can just go out and get better (agree Doku has had a better start) but that's not necessarily the reality He is a step up on what we've had in that squad role in previous years imo but he'll be behind Diaby, Ramsey, Buendia if they were all fit, as a stop gap while Buendia is injured he's fine Personally think after a few more months he will be a better player for us than Buendia was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Personally think after a few more months he will be a better player for us than Buendia was. Will be an interesting one for sure. We won't ever get the very best out of Buendia without a more natural number 9 IMO, but I do think he'd have been much more effective with Diaby's intelligent runs ahead of him. Zaniolo looks decent but his decision making has been questioned/criticised wherever he's been. That's a concern. Edited October 12, 2023 by Tom13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zab6359 Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Personally think after a few more months he will be a better player for us than Buendia was. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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