tomav84 Posted December 8, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted December 8, 2023 6 hours ago, Demitri_C said: One thing i always see- id whenever a debate comes up about female pundits alex scott is always the first name mentioned. Sue smith rarely gets mentioned and i think she is a fantastic pundit. Arguably the best out there at the moment i agree with you however i think the trap that many of us fall into (myself included) is starting to compare the various pundits. start reeling off names like alex scott, karen carney and put them up against the likes of danny mills and michael owen. the females i just mentioned are regarded by most as being superior to the males i just mentioned. problem is that you open such a debate that people then start bringing up people like shearer, neville and carragher who many would describe as the better pundits out there who all happen to be male but that's not the issue here. it's the sweeping generalisation from barton and keegan that women are not qualified to opine on the mens game. THATS the issue and it's totally absurd. dan bardell for example among others with similar backgrounds to him regularly appear on skysports now who to my knowledge have never played any form of professional football. so why does the same logic not apply to them? by logic of the aforementioned mysogynists those individuals are even LESS qualified to talk football for a living. so why are barton and keegan not moaning about them instead? i could even point to people like souness who last kicked a football over 30 years ago...i'd argue that the game now is so different to the one back then that it's almost a different sport. certainly levels above the game he played. my point being, the level you've played at has zero bearing on your ability to read the game and judge team/player performances and there's no argument anyone can give me that would make me think otherwise 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 13 hours ago, Seat68 said: Instead of using "woke", can we start using "basic empathy", its the same thing. When people who are described as woke are empathetic to the people who they disagree with, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CVByrne Posted December 9, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2023 13 hours ago, tomav84 said: i agree with you however i think the trap that many of us fall into (myself included) is starting to compare the various pundits. start reeling off names like alex scott, karen carney and put them up against the likes of danny mills and michael owen. the females i just mentioned are regarded by most as being superior to the males i just mentioned. problem is that you open such a debate that people then start bringing up people like shearer, neville and carragher who many would describe as the better pundits out there who all happen to be male but that's not the issue here. it's the sweeping generalisation from barton and keegan that women are not qualified to opine on the mens game. THATS the issue and it's totally absurd. dan bardell for example among others with similar backgrounds to him regularly appear on skysports now who to my knowledge have never played any form of professional football. so why does the same logic not apply to them? by logic of the aforementioned mysogynists those individuals are even LESS qualified to talk football for a living. so why are barton and keegan not moaning about them instead? i could even point to people like souness who last kicked a football over 30 years ago...i'd argue that the game now is so different to the one back then that it's almost a different sport. certainly levels above the game he played. my point being, the level you've played at has zero bearing on your ability to read the game and judge team/player performances and there's no argument anyone can give me that would make me think otherwise I want pundits who are good at analysing games and tactics, who are dedicated to their job by watching as many of the PL teams play to have real insight. I get the point if we are solely focused on ex footballers and want a "I've been there, he's my take" type analysis that players who have played and won at the top of the mens game have more relevant things to offer in that narrow instance. But who the f wants that if it comes wrapped in Michael Owen level nonsense? I'd rather have good analysts over ex footballer 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 2 hours ago, CVByrne said: I want pundits who are good at analysing games and tactics, who are dedicated to their job by watching as many of the PL teams play to have real insight. I get the point if we are solely focused on ex footballers and want a "I've been there, he's my take" type analysis that players who have played and won at the top of the mens game have more relevant things to offer in that narrow instance. But who the f wants that if it comes wrapped in Michael Owen level nonsense? I'd rather have good analysts over ex footballer Spot on. The trap they fall into is that they hire ex women footballers with no clue (much the same as the men) which does nothing to further the cause. If they hired the female version of Matterface (for example, an absolute football savant) then it would help a lot. An excellent analyst, who’s done their research, it shouldn’t matter if they’re male or female. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Pundits of both sexes should have a nice listenable accent. A couple of the female pundits I’ve seen on BBC have had horrendous speaking voices which just makes me turn off. On the radio I’ve heard the likes of Stuart Pearce, absolutely awful and thick as two week old porridge. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted December 9, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 9, 2023 I’ve never heard anyone suggest male pundits shouldn’t be employed because Danny Murphy is depressingly rubbish at his job. That’s the issue, for me. Blokes that see a bad Danny Murphy and think Danny Murphy is crap and then see a bad Alex Scott and think women are crap. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Do high profile pundits like scott, cairney and smith do womens games for sky? Genuine question as i dont watch womens football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted December 9, 2023 Author VT Supporter Share Posted December 9, 2023 35 minutes ago, rjw63 said: Pundits of both sexes should have a nice listenable accent. This. Alex Scott dropping her 'G's. No, not her g string, you dirty minded sods. Shootin' and tacklin' and passin'. Plus any number of male ex-pro's who sound thick as mince. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, mjmooney said: This. Alex Scott dropping her 'G's. No, not her g string, you dirty minded sods. Shootin' and tacklin' and passin'. Plus any number of male ex-pro's who sound thick as mince. It’s the ‘L’s for me. ‘They won three : niw to go top of the tabew before they had to go to hospitew’ I’m a big fan of accents, but I do also like enunciation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted December 9, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted December 9, 2023 9 hours ago, rjw63 said: Pundits of both sexes should have a nice listenable accent. A couple of the female pundits I’ve seen on BBC have had horrendous speaking voices which just makes me turn off. On the radio I’ve heard the likes of Stuart Pearce, absolutely awful and thick as two week old porridge. cockneys and scousers of any gender are a big no for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted December 10, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted December 10, 2023 Oh dear Joey. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 11 hours ago, Follyfoot said: cockneys and scousers of any gender are a big no for me I was watching the game last night and I kept taking the piss out of Carragher when said certain names/words.. The main one being "Saacckk'kkeerr' of Arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyeddie Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 11 hours ago, Follyfoot said: cockneys and scousers of any gender are a big no for me I'd that just football commentary of life in general Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KentVillan Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 (edited) On 09/12/2023 at 13:11, mjmooney said: This. Alex Scott dropping her 'G's. No, not her g string, you dirty minded sods. Shootin' and tacklin' and passin'. Plus any number of male ex-pro's who sound thick as mince. On 09/12/2023 at 13:24, chrisp65 said: It’s the ‘L’s for me. ‘They won three : niw to go top of the tabew before they had to go to hospitew’ I’m a big fan of accents, but I do also like enunciation. These are really just regional accents, in the same way that most British English speakers (of all classes) don't pronounce the "R" in the middle of a word (non-rhotic accents), which can be very confusing for most Americans and anyone who has learnt a rhotic English accent. We don't accuse British English speakers of not enunciating because they pronounce "water" as wah-tuh. The L thing is called L vocalisation, and is a feature of Polish too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-vocalization Quote L-vocalization, in linguistics, is a process by which a lateral approximant sound such as [l], or, perhaps more often, velarized [ɫ], is replaced by a vowel or a semivowel. It's a feature of Cockney accents. We need to be more sympathetic to the way people speak, because literally everyone has their own unique accent that would sound confusing to somebody somewhere. The main thing is are they talking sense, is what they're saying interesting and intelligent. Edited December 24, 2023 by KentVillan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted December 25, 2023 Author VT Supporter Share Posted December 25, 2023 7 hours ago, KentVillan said: These are really just regional accents, Perhaps so. They still set my teeth on edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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