Keyblade Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 3 hours ago, est1874 said: I would imagine the owners are highly reluctant to sign off on big money signings for a manager who's on extremely thin ice. Our signings shouldn't be dependent on a manager anyway. He can be involved in the decision process but the decision shouldn't be his. We should have a strategy as a club and no one manager should make that waver. We already messed up there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicho Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 21 minutes ago, Steero113 said: Sorry, but 2015/16 when Poch started to make an impact (they finished 3rd) his regular side included: Bentaleb (21) Alli (20) Dier (22) Eriksen (24) Winks (20) Son (23) Kane (21) He's pretty good with young players. I didn't say promotion, I said integration and inclusion of youth and trusting them in the starting 11. Which he is very very good at. Bentalab played 30 games before leaving. Eriksen and Son signed for big fees at the time. Dier was already playing for Sporting before joining. Alli was wanted by everyone. Kanes breakout season was actually under Poch to be fair. I supposed the bigger thing, do we have comparable talents. Do we think Bailey has the potential to be as good as Son? We don’t have an Eriksen? Ramsey to be as good as that version of Alli? Talking about Poch and signings is pretty irrelevant for me as he isn’t coming. But comparing this villa to that spurs may also be irrelevant as our young signings are just not on par. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupinthe5th Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) The year is 2028- Villa are stuck with 35 year old Coutinho, Moura, Carlos and Digne. Edited August 31, 2022 by Lupinthe5th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Hell yeah to moura. He is a excellent player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Just now, Nicho said: Bentalab played 30 games before leaving. Eriksen and Son signed for big fees at the time. Dier was already playing for Sporting before joining. Alli was wanted by everyone. Kanes breakout season was actually under Poch to be fair. I supposed the bigger thing, do we have comparable talents. Do we think Bailey has the potential to be as good as Son? We don’t have an Eriksen? Ramsey to be as good as that version of Alli? Talking about Poch and signings is pretty irrelevant for me as he isn’t coming. But comparing this villa to that spurs may also be irrelevant as our young signings are just not on par. Yeah, to be fair the point I was making is that he is happy to give major responsibility to young players, improve them and make winners out of them (or at least top 4 achievers). Our manager seems shit scared to give our youngsters more than 3 minutes at a time (other than Ramsey who was established under Smith and Kamara who has the experience of someone 5 or 6 years older). I think we have near comparable talents, and I would be excited to see what Poch could do with both Ramseys, Tim, Bailey, Buendia, KKH, Archer, Kamara and Douglas Luiz amongst others. We have high quality youngsters which are being horribly utilized at present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Willard Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 The window slams shut 12pm tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupinthe5th Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Are we using a old scouting spreadsheet from 10 years ago? No wonder we put up a job ad up for a scout yesterday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
string28 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) sorry big text lol just about Lucas Moura Edited August 31, 2022 by string28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Lord Willard said: The window slams shut 12pm tonight? nope, tomorrow 23:00. Edited August 31, 2022 by MaVilla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted August 31, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2022 Moura is one of those players that always looks great whenever I catch him but then doesn't seem to play first team regular so must be something in that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Lord Willard said: The window slams shut 12pm tonight? Kind of. But 12pm tonight is actually 12am tomorrow. 12pm today was about 5 hours ago and the window doesn’t shut until 11pm tomorrow. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, Nicho said: Bentalab played 30 games before leaving. Eriksen and Son signed for big fees at the time. Dier was already playing for Sporting before joining. Alli was wanted by everyone. Kanes breakout season was actually under Poch to be fair. I supposed the bigger thing, do we have comparable talents. Do we think Bailey has the potential to be as good as Son? We don’t have an Eriksen? Ramsey to be as good as that version of Alli? Talking about Poch and signings is pretty irrelevant for me as he isn’t coming. But comparing this villa to that spurs may also be irrelevant as our young signings are just not on par. What are you arguing, that he didn't bring through academy players? Winks and Kane are 2 right there. To the broader point, he very clearly put an emphasis on playing younger players during his time at Spurs. They had the youngest average squad age during his time there. Also Eriksen cost Spurs £13m, and Son was about £25m. Hardly big fees for a top 6 club. Bailey at Leverkusen was better than Son at Hamburg imo. And we do have a 2015 Eriksen, his name is Emi Buendia? Or Coutinho if you want. These players are at a similar level to when Poch first started working with the ones at Spurs, it was his coaching that got the most out of them. No reason he can't do the same here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Been busy, but just seen some Twatter waffle that we are in for a " Pleasant surprise " etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 8 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Hell yeah to moura. He is a excellent player But lazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, string28 said: The Telegraph Aston Villa consider deadline day move for Tottenham's Lucas Moura Mike McGrath - 43m ago very good player. very inconsistent, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 9 minutes ago, Lupinthe5th said: The year is 2028- Villa are stuck with 35 year old Coutinho, Moura, Carlos and Digne. There contracts don't even last till 2028 to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, Nicho said: Bentalab played 30 games before leaving. Eriksen and Son signed for big fees at the time. Dier was already playing for Sporting before joining. Alli was wanted by everyone. Kanes breakout season was actually under Poch to be fair. I supposed the bigger thing, do we have comparable talents. Do we think Bailey has the potential to be as good as Son? We don’t have an Eriksen? Ramsey to be as good as that version of Alli? Talking about Poch and signings is pretty irrelevant for me as he isn’t coming. But comparing this villa to that spurs may also be irrelevant as our young signings are just not on par. It just suggests to me that Poch backs himself to get the best out of all the resources he has available, be it youth, new signings, whatever. The year he was given no money and even no stadium when it was promised he knuckled down and used the fringe players like Moura more because he had to. A massive contrast to Gerrard who last season just said I need new players who know how to win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Been busy, but just seen some Twatter waffle that we are in for a " Pleasant surprise " etc Blocked that person with the quickness. We've thankfully been spared these attention seekers for most of the window. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Just now, MaVilla said: very good player. very inconsistent, however. He's only inconsistent until he plays us it would appear. As i often remember him tearing us to shreds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Another 30 year old player on undoubtable big wages with little re-sell value in a few years. Quality player at times, but not in a hard-working Tottenham side for a reason. At least the transfer strategy is consistent. Depressing - but consistent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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