nick76 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, fightoffyour said: I’ve never been so sad to see Boubs out No need to be a Titty baby about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 19 hours ago, AntrimBlack said: That's all very well, but you won't get anywhere unless you pull up your socks. And look each other in the eye 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Does that mean the two months out report was bullshit or is this a non severe ligament injury? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 25 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: Does that mean the two months out report was bullshit or is this a non severe ligament injury? BBC site saying "around two months". "Aston Villa midfielder Boubacar Kamara is likely to be out for around two months after suffering knee ligament damage - putting his involvement in the World Cup in doubt." (link: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63006030) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 20 hours ago, Steero113 said: Although the names are incredibly significant, the weight of numbers you refer to is a staggering....... 3 Yes, but it's the length of time these three will be missing and as you rightly say their significance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 32 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: Does that mean the two months out report was bullshit or is this a non severe ligament injury? It's a knee sprain between a grade 1 and grade 2. Some tearing of the ligament but not enough to warrent surgery. The only problem with a knee sprain of this severity is that they could get halfway into the rehabilitation program and discover the knee isn't responding to treatment. Surgery would be become the next best option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 17 minutes ago, Rightdm00 said: It's a knee sprain between a grade 1 and grade 2. Some tearing of the ligament but not enough to warrent surgery. The only problem with a knee sprain of this severity is that they could get halfway into the rehabilitation program and discover the knee isn't responding to treatment. Surgery would be become the next best option. How do you know what grade it is? Or can it only possibly be one of those two if we've decided to not perform surgery at this stage? Is there anyway we can determine if it's ACL or another ligament? Seeming like you know a bit about this stuff, what's the success ratio of non-surgery recovery from these types of injuries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG_Villa_Fan Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 hour ago, MrBlack said: How do you know what grade it is? Or can it only possibly be one of those two if we've decided to not perform surgery at this stage? Is there anyway we can determine if it's ACL or another ligament? Seeming like you know a bit about this stuff, what's the success ratio of non-surgery recovery from these types of injuries? There are usually 3 grades for sprains - 1 is mild and 3 is a full tear, which definitely requires surgery. Since it appears that he won’t need surgery and judging by the time he’s expected to be off we, as internet doctors, can safely conclude it’s a grade 2 sprain. He’ll rest some, get some therapy and will probably be re-evaluated in 6 weeks so we’ll know more by then. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smg Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 22 hours ago, His Name Is Death said: Do our physios and fitness coaches need to be questioned, now that we've had two major early season injury crises two seasons running? How could the physios have prevented these injuries or any other on the pitch during matches ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 3 hours ago, MrBlack said: How do you know what grade it is? Or can it only possibly be one of those two if we've decided to not perform surgery at this stage? Is there anyway we can determine if it's ACL or another ligament? Seeming like you know a bit about this stuff, what's the success ratio of non-surgery recovery from these types of injuries? Only grade 1 and 2 can be rehabilitated, at least for a professional athlete, without surgery. Given the stated time of recovery I would assume the MRI showed some tearing of the ligament but not enough to warrent an invasive surgery. The knee has 4 ligaments (PCL, ACL, LCL, and ACL). The most common ligament tear requiring surgery is the ACL. The self healing ability of the ACL is poor when compared to the other ligaments. So for professional athletes the usual decision is opt for surgery. The MCL given it's location and size doesn't usually suffer a grade 3 tear unless it's a bad injury. Look up Willis Mcgahee knee injury on YouTube if you want to see a MCL grade 3 tear. I will caution, definitely not for the squeamish. That video will show you the impact needed to suffer a grade 3 tear of the MCL. The MCL also has better self healing properties so is better candidate for physical therapy. The main concern with Boubacar is that the MCL responds to therapy. It almost always does but a concern none the less. Also, he could have other damaged that was missed in the original scan. When I tore my lateral meniscus I had to go in for surgery. The Doc noticed I also had some tearing of the ACL that the MRI didn't pick up. So MRIs are definitely the best way to determine soft tissue tears but they aren't foolproof. For the above states reasons I think the club has hedged on the conservative side of recovery. Which given the injury is the smart move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 12 minutes ago, Rightdm00 said: Only grade 1 and 2 can be rehabilitated, at least for a professional athlete, without surgery. Given the stated time of recovery I would assume the MRI showed some tearing of the ligament but not enough to warrent an invasive surgery. The knee has 4 ligaments (PCL, ACL, LCL, and ACL). The most common ligament tear requiring surgery is the ACL. The self healing ability of the ACL is poor when compared to the other ligaments. So for professional athletes the usual decision is opt for surgery. The MCL given it's location and size doesn't usually suffer a grade 3 tear unless it's a bad injury. Look up Willis Mcgahee knee injury on YouTube if you want to see a MCL grade 3 tear. I will caution, definitely not for the squeamish. That video will show you the impact needed to suffer a grade 3 tear of the MCL. The MCL also has better self healing properties so is better candidate for physical therapy. The main concern with Boubacar is that the MCL responds to therapy. It almost always does but a concern none the less. Also, he could have other damaged that was missed in the original scan. When I tore my lateral meniscus I had to go in for surgery. The Doc noticed I also had some tearing of the ACL that the MRI didn't pick up. So MRIs are definitely the best way to determine soft tissue tears but they aren't foolproof. For the above states reasons I think the club has hedged on the conservative side of recovery. Which given the injury is the smart move. Would have thought they use ultrasound too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG_Villa_Fan Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 (edited) nvm Edited September 23, 2022 by BG_Villa_Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLVillan Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 hour ago, smg said: How could the physios have prevented these injuries or any other on the pitch during matches ? They couldn't. There's no blame to be apportioned here. I think some just like to have someone to blame when things go wrong. It's just bad luck. Of course, the non-scientific explanation is that Kamara and Carlos both came straight into a frenetic league with a pace and required fitness levels above where they've come from. I'm sure they are/were up to fitness in terms of cardiovascular capacity, but muscle development/adjustment maybe not quite. Nothing the physios or fitness trainers can do about that.... The only real thing they can measure is heart rate, speed and distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Sounds like he could be back in time to get injured in the World Cup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 minute ago, DaveAV1 said: Sounds like he could be back in time to get injured in the World Cup. Thankfully there is too much competition in the France squad for him to get picked if he's injured for an extended period. Shame for him of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 2 hours ago, birdman said: Would have thought they use ultrasound too? Ultrasound works to a certain degree if you don't want to fork out the money for MRI time. With the money being spent on process athletes though any club is going to go straight to the best method. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smg Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 3 hours ago, FLVillan said: They couldn't. There's no blame to be apportioned here. I think some just like to have someone to blame when things go wrong. It's just bad luck. Of course, the non-scientific explanation is that Kamara and Carlos both came straight into a frenetic league with a pace and required fitness levels above where they've come from. I'm sure they are/were up to fitness in terms of cardiovascular capacity, but muscle development/adjustment maybe not quite. Nothing the physios or fitness trainers can do about that.... The only real thing they can measure is heart rate, speed and distance. Couldn’t agree more and what you describe was clearly a problem for Bailey last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Announced that he will miss the World Cup 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 When is he due back ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 1 hour ago, gwi1890 said: When is he due back ? Not entirely sure, early reports were at least 3 months. If he's missing the world cup then sometime in January would probably be the soonest we see him back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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