HanoiVillan Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 The frustrating thing is it was obvious he had lost it *before* we committed to paying him a massive long permanent contract. Hard to imagine a club daft enough to take him off our hands. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 30 minutes ago, Pissflaps said: What's happened to his pace? Did he get injured at Barcelona or something? Suffered a major knee injury. Also had a niggling ankle problem. He still played well for Bayern but they didn’t make his move permanent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 At some point, one has to accept that the body no longer matches the mind. He might still have the individual touches but the explosiveness and ability to beat players is completely gone and every shot is hit too hard to overcompensate for that lack of power in his shot too. I do feel for the lad. Seems well liked and a good trainer but if you can’t dance past Stevenage then what is the point? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 His performance reminded me of Space Jam where Charles Barkley gets his basketball powers taken away from him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 4 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: The frustrating thing is it was obvious he had lost it *before* we committed to paying him a massive long permanent contract. Hard to imagine a club daft enough to take him off our hands. He needs to go to the MLS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted January 9, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted January 9, 2023 The sooner we stop with the experiment the better, we can only use him off the bench. Try and move him on but if we can't we take the hit, he is a good trainer and a professional by all accounts he won't cause any trouble and eventually there will be a solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 We hope the manager can get the best out if him but if you arent great against a league 2 side you have to question if he will ever be good enough for a premier league start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 7 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: The frustrating thing is it was obvious he had lost it *before* we committed to paying him a massive long permanent contract. Hard to imagine a club daft enough to take him off our hands. Exactly, at the end of his loan him and the manager should have been shown the door as it was obvious neither were good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 9 hours ago, villa4europe said: To me he didn't look angry or pissed off he looked forlorn and defeated Yeah, I can't even be mad at him, he looked broken. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Sulberto21 said: Suffered a major knee injury. Also had a niggling ankle problem. He still played well for Bayern but they didn’t make his move permanent. He had 6 goal involvements in all the goals vs woeful Werder Bremen then did nothing much else. That's why I wasn't keen on him coming initially and posted on here as much. I think half his season goal and assist tally came from that 1 game Edited January 9, 2023 by Kiwivillan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 Excellent cross and it’s a very different game if Chambers could finish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 I don't know why people are picking him out. Coutinho and Sanson were only players to do well. Coutinho started the move for our goal. He also should have had an assist for a 2-0 goal but nobody got on end of it. His shooting was poor. I got the feeling watching it that if he had other players around him like say if Kamara and JJ were in the team more would have come off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 Just now, CVByrne said: I don't know why people are picking him out. Coutinho and Sanson were only players to do well. Coutinho started the move for our goal. He also should have had an assist for a 2-0 goal but nobody got on end of it. His shooting was poor. I got the feeling watching it that if he had other players around him like say if Kamara and JJ were in the team more would have come off. The agenda for some is pathetically transparent, little criticism for certain players and their lack of efforts yesterday. Yet, it’s Phil who is still under the intense microscope. He showed moments of real quality and clearly was trying to prove himself. It didn’t go right but it happens to the best players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 I wonder if those good initial 5/6 games were just because he needed to earn a contract somewhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 Phil isn’t some experiment, he’s a valued member of the squad who is struggling for confidence. Some of the comments about him go far beyond fair criticism of his performance yesterday. There’s a lot of problems in the squad, but Phil isn’t solely responsible for it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 In general play I actually thought he was one of our better players, which isn't really saying much, but I didn't think there wasn't much difference between his performance and Sanson's who is getting praise, His shooting was atrocious though. He obviously wasn't great, could tell by his own reaction after being brought of that he wasn't pleased with himself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 11 minutes ago, The_Steve said: The agenda for some is pathetically transparent, little criticism for certain players and their lack of efforts yesterday. Yet, it’s Phil who is still under the intense microscope. He showed moments of real quality and clearly was trying to prove himself. It didn’t go right but it happens to the best players. When does it ever 'go right' for him? The criticism he's facing is in part because yesterday is not some isolated incident. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 Just now, HanoiVillan said: When does it ever 'go right' for him? The criticism he's facing is in part because yesterday is not some isolated incident. I thought he had a good game under the circumstance. His shooting was below par yes, but he was trying hard and linking the play. His cross should have been buried to make it 2-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 People having a different opinion to you isn't an "agenda" If he hadn't wasted the ball with 5 pot shots that nearly put the floodlights out, he'd probably not be getting anywhere near as much criticism 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 8 hours ago, DJBOB said: At some point, one has to accept that the body no longer matches the mind. He might still have the individual touches but the explosiveness and ability to beat players is completely gone and every shot is hit too hard to overcompensate for that lack of power in his shot too. I do feel for the lad. Seems well liked and a good trainer but if you can’t dance past Stevenage then what is the point? Yes clearly a troubled player felt a bit sorry for him when the TV pictures kept cutting to him when he was sat on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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