The next manager of Aston Villa

[Vive_La_Villa]

1 minute ago, Peter Griffin said:

If I recall correctly Henry went to 1/10 before we got Dean 

Fair point. OGS was odds on too. The money doesn’t always get it right. But it normally does. 
 

It certainly did with Sherwood much to the shock of many fans.

[Davkaus]

12 minutes ago, Davkaus said:

Well, no, but he's a much better player than Gerrard is a manager, although he probably is a worse person. I wouldn't sign Harold Shipman no matter what his track record was like, though.

There's certainly a graph to be plotted with the x axis as how much of a bellend someone is on a scale of 1-10, and how good they are at their job, with a zone that you'd consider hiring them under, I might plot that later if I get time

 

I got bored waiting for a meeting to end  

[Peter Griffin]

1 minute ago, It's Your Round said:

The main condition I’d be asking for if he did join. Please stop calling him Stevie G!

Its so cringeworthy. 

I could handle 'Stevie G's Claret & Blue army win the Premier League' 

[roonst83]

7 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said:

Has Simon Jordan ever talked sense?

Every time he speaks, in my opinion. He's always spot on and unafraid to go against the grain of social convention just to fit in. Big fan of his. Oh, and the only one on TalkSport worth listening to.

[lexicon]

8 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said:

Has Simon Jordan ever talked sense?

Have you?

[TRO]

14 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said:

Not the point I’m trying to make, I don’t care who he votes for to tell the truth, as long as it doesn’t affect us on the pitch. But it is the kind of thing you’d expect would enrage some people, but because he’s a Villa fan and comes across as a nice bloke, the fact that Smith is a Tory doesn’t seem to enter the equation. 

Different rules seem to apply to different people, hence the hypocrisy. 

I get that Dave...but being a nice bloke and being a Tory is not being mutually exclusive.

[mjmooney]

25 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said:

I have it on good authority Dean Smith is a Tory and a regular down the local Conservative club. 

My Dad was a staunch socialist, and a regular down the local Conservative club. They had the best snooker tables. 

[PaulC]

14 minutes ago, kingysilvers said:

To be fair, the man has made Ashley Westwood a more permanent fixture of the Premier League than our club has been in recent years. He's clearly a miracle worker.

Lowton too

[bobzy]

1 minute ago, TRO said:

I get that Dave...but being a nice bloke and being a Tory is not being mutually exclusive.

[blandy]

38 minutes ago, TrentVilla said:

Well yes probably, they have to balance out the Nuno’s of this world.

I just don’t think you can appoint managers with the expectancy of longevity or rather discount managers through an expectation it could be lacking.

Yes there is a threat of losing Gerrard to Liverpool but for that to happen he will have to have been successful. I can live with that.

I also think we have to be realistic in thinking any manager that comes in and is able to elevate us from mid table to top 6/8 is potentially likely to become of interest to other clubs. 

If we are looking for a good manager to come in and elevate us who we don’t fear the possibility of losing in a couple of years well that is going to be some damn fine recruitment from Purslow.

That's fair comment.

The difficulty I have with the board doing that is it's basically (very) short termism. "we need a manager for the next 2 years and in that time we want him to do this..." Even with clubs these days having more segregated youth development and so on, if Villa has a plan to grow our own players, integrate them into the first team, get into Europe, challenge for trophies/Europe it's extremely hard to do that for any manager in 2 seasons. So then your left with "just win enough games to not get sacked and/or to get a gig somewhere else". I would wager that well run clubs identify their aims and then actively seek managers out who will be able to (in their opinion) achieve those club aims over a period of their contract length and that the contract length will be several years more than 2.

I appreciate that Man City or Liverpool maybe have the luxury of being pretty certain that Klopp or Guardiola will deliver, if not immediately then in the short term, and maybe the next rank of clubs are more hoping that whoever they choose works out, but I would still like to think that Villa are not veering into short termism, and unfortunately I think we may be - we may be reacting rather than being proactive. "this one lost some games, get me a new one...no I don't know who..."

[It's Your Round]

2 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

My Dad was a staunch socialist, and a regular down the local Conservative club. They had the best snooker tables. 

Aye they did, they were made from the skins of peasants. 

[PaulC]

1 minute ago, TRO said:

I get that Dave...but being a nice bloke and being a Tory is not being mutually exclusive.

Yes your politics doesnt define the person you are. If Dean Smith is a Tory its probably because hes super rich. 

[dont_do_it_doug.]

In all seriousness, and I promise I’m going to stop droning on now, my perception of Gerrard has never been that he’s a word removed. It is that he’s a consummate professional, a grafter, a born winner and a natural leader, on and off the pitch. He was always the guy that everyone who went to Liverpool Football Club looked at and thought I better buck up my ideas here because I do not want to let that fella down. 

I don't know precisely how I've managed to pick up such a different impression of him to everyone else here, I'm sure most of you consume as much or more football media as me, or how much it even matters when it comes to whether he's a success or not, but this is probably why I'm finding myself defending him. Out of sheer confusion as much as anything. 

This still isn't a ringing endorsement by the way, I just hope when the time comes we give him time. 

[Rugeley Villa]

Simon Jordan knows, that’s all. Always talks the villa up .

[Vive_La_Villa]

Response to Newcastle speculation. 

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“Do I look happy? Do I look settled? Don’t ask me silly questions then," he said to BT Sport post-match.

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[TRO]

3 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

My Dad was a staunch socialist, and a regular down the local Conservative club. They had the best snooker tables. 

My Dad was a staunch socialist....haven't spoken for......

everybody was in those days.

just kidding.

Edited November 9, 2021 by TRO

[dont_do_it_doug.]

4 minutes ago, TRO said:

I get that Dave...but being a nice bloke and being a Tory is not being mutually exclusive.

Not what I said. Read it again x

[Mantis]

I can think of few things I could care less about than which political party Smith (or indeed Gerrard) supports.

[SeanVilla]

18 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said:

Not the point I’m trying to make, I don’t care who he votes for to tell the truth, as long as it doesn’t affect us on the pitch. But it is the kind of thing you’d expect would enrage some people, but because he’s a Villa fan and comes across as a nice bloke, the fact that Smith is a Tory doesn’t seem to enter the equation. 

Different rules seem to apply to different people, hence the hypocrisy. 

The reason people don’t mind Dean Smith being a Tory is because the majority of our fan base is Tory. 

[bobzy]

1 minute ago, dont_do_it_doug. said:

In all seriousness, and I promise I’m going to stop droning on now, my perception of Gerrard has never been that he’s a word removed. It is that he’s a consummate professional, a grafter, a born winner and a natural leader, on and off the pitch. He was always the guy that everyone who went to Liverpool Football Club looked at and thought I better buck up my ideas here because I do not want to let that fella down. 

I don't know precisely how I've managed to pick up such a different impression of him to everyone else here, I'm sure most of you consume as much or more football media as me, or how much it even matters when it comes to whether he's a success or not, but this is probably why I'm finding myself defending him. Out of sheer confusion as much as anything. 

This still isn't a ringing endorsement by the way, I just hope when the time comes we give him time. 

Agreed, no idea why people don't particularly like him.

I think it's a mix of him being a Liverpool darling and the media hype.