sne Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: Stupid argument on here. Wanting to sell a proven goalscorer because afraid to have competition Some of the same posters then say the club dont have a winning mentality Wanting to sell a proven goalscorer IF we can find a better fit while also making money on Ings from a desperate club like say Everton. Only speak for myself but I'm not looking to get rid of Ings without a plan. We'll see in the summer how this situation plays out. Until then I'm sure Ings will be useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 1 minute ago, sne said: Wanting to sell a proven goalscorer IF we can find a better fit while also making money on Ings from a desperate club like say Everton. Only speak for myself but I'm not looking to get rid of Ings without a plan. We'll see in the summer how this situation plays out. Until then I'm sure Ings will be useful. People saying sell him and play Archer is fanciful. End of the day you need good back ups to get stronger. Ollie could get injured tomorrow and miss 10 games. I would much prefer Ings to start than Davis, Archer or a January punt for a Samatta type 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Just now, Zatman said: People saying sell him and play Archer is fanciful. End of the day you need good back ups to get stronger. Ollie could get injured tomorrow and miss 10 games. I would much prefer Ings to start than Davis, Archer or a January punt for a Samatta type Totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I think we tend to see a lot of your only as good as your last game. As soon as Ollie has another poor game this thread will be about how Ings should start next one. Yep. Ollie hasn't even been good this entire season, and literally before this match I saw people saying he should not be starting over Ings in his thread. Now people are already comparing him to Benteke. Edited December 4, 2021 by Laughable Chimp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 34 minutes ago, Zatman said: People saying sell him and play Archer is fanciful. End of the day you need good back ups to get stronger. Ollie could get injured tomorrow and miss 10 games. I would much prefer Ings to start than Davis, Archer or a January punt for a Samatta type Ings would leave regardless if he becomes a bench player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 32 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Ings would leave regardless if he becomes a bench player. Yeh because it’s that easy to leave. He can just clear his locker out one morning and be off. We have 2 quality strikers that will compete for one place. Why’s that so hard to understand? Don’t give me the pressing bollocks. They can both do it just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Yeh because it’s that easy to leave. He can just clear his locker out one morning and be off. We have 2 quality strikers that will compete for one place. Why’s that so hard to understand? Don’t give me the pressing bollocks. They can both do it just fine. It doesn't work like that. Ings is an established PL striker. If he doesn't play he will leave. It's simple as that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Just now, villalad21 said: It doesn't work like that. Ings is an established PL striker. If he doesn't play he will leave. It's simple as that. Ings is 29 on a 120k a week. Will be easy to shift He isnt going to take a pay cut and why should he 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Just now, villalad21 said: It doesn't work like that. Ings is an established PL striker. If he doesn't play he will leave. It's simple as that. No It doesn’t work like that. You can’t just leave. It’s not football manager. Plus who even said he won’t play. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Just now, Zatman said: Ings is 29 on a 120k a week. Will be easy to shift He isnt going to take a pay cut and why should he I wonder why we even bother at times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 I think Ings is a good signing. The biggest problem is trying to start him and Watkins at the same time. We can’t sacrifice our formation to accommodate two players. Watkins can be dropped, he’s not a Jack Grealish in the end. Ings is better at certain attributes. But with the current performances I’d keep Watkins. Against the lower teams I think Ings would be a better choice. More skillful and very intelligent player. While Watkins main attribute is his work rate. We’re lucky to have both, but we lost some points because Smith was trying to accommodate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 2 hours ago, sne said: Wanting to sell a proven goalscorer IF we can find a better fit while also making money on Ings from a desperate club like say Everton. Only speak for myself but I'm not looking to get rid of Ings without a plan. We'll see in the summer how this situation plays out. Until then I'm sure Ings will be useful. Why strengthen another premier league team? Gerrard knows Ings , Ings is a good professional and will push Ollie, His opportunities will come 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 5 hours ago, M_Afro said: I’m sure we would all love to keep Danny Ings around just in case but can we really afford to be so profligate? It’s not small time, it’s sensible. No it’s not… it’s sensible for a team that supposedly aiming for the top ten, top eight…to have two quality strikers on the books, I don’t think that is recklessly extravagant re the “profligate” you are saying. It’s almost less risky given the options Ings gives us, the goals he will score, already scored, the pressure he will put on Ollie to keep at such a high level and also if Ollie is injured. He could help us nick higher league placing or a further run in the cup and all the money that brings. Villa fans have got to stop thinking small time that we can only have 11 players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyVillans Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 A couple seasons ago samatta and borja baston were panic striker signings and now we are complaining about ings, a proven consistent Premier League striker, being a panic signing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Man I'd completely forgotten about Borja Baston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaslash Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 We haven’t seen the Ings Watkins partnership really work but having two quality strikers is so vital. What if Watkins is injured? What if we actually subbed Watkins off after 75 when he has run the defense ragged? Then Ings’s deadly more technical finishing would make an impact. I’m not sure we would want to sell to Newcastle if they came in for him. Let them try to splash some cash around in the championship for a bit. When you think of all the strikers we’ve bought over the years as simple emergency cover instead of an equally good option it’s never worked out. Great to have a choice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 I think if someone offered us what we'd paid for Ings we'd probably take it, it's okay saying that we need a squad and good players on the bench, but in Ings case although it wasn't obvious at the time it has since become obvious that he wasn't bought with the intention of being a backup striker but rather he was brought in as someone to play alongside Watkins. And probably more importanly it's doubtful he would have signed for us if he thought he was going to be second choice only. Now we have a different manager, and Watkins and Ings playing in the same team almost certainly won't pass the Gerrard vibe check, so we will have a player on the bench who's not exactly going to be happy there, and we'd probably prefer to have a younger player on less wages on the bench as well. Truth be told, the signing didn't make a great deal of sense to begin, it would have made sense if he was brought in as a squad player as suggested but we since learned that that wasn't the case, and it's doubtful that the player will be happy with that. The only team I can imagine possibly being interest though is Newcastle but if we're not compeletely out of the relegation picture by January then we will probably be reluctant to sell to them. All that said he's still a useful player to have on the bench, just saying if someone offered us our money back now I think we'd take it and Ings himself if offered a regular starting place would also take it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nick76 Posted December 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, useless said: I think if someone offered us what we'd paid for Ings we'd probably take it, it's okay saying that we need a squad and good players on the bench, but in Ings case although it wasn't obvious at the time it has since become obvious that he wasn't bought with the intention of being a backup striker but rather he was brought in as someone to play alongside Watkins. And probably more importanly it's doubtful he would have signed for us if he thought he was going to be second choice only. Now we have a different manager, and Watkins and Ings playing in the same team almost certainly won't pass the Gerrard vibe check, so we will have a player on the bench who's not exactly going to be happy there, and we'd probably prefer to have a younger player on less wages on the bench as well. Truth be told, the signing didn't make a great deal of sense to begin, it would have made sense if he was brought in as a squad player as suggested but we since learned that that wasn't the case, and it's doubtful that the player will be happy with that. The only team I can imagine possibly being interest though is Newcastle but if we're not compeletely out of the relegation picture by January then we will probably be reluctant to sell to them. All that said he's still a useful player to have on the bench, just saying if someone offered us our money back now I think we'd take it and Ings himself if offered a regular starting place would also take it. I don’t think we’d take it, I think we’d be stupid to take it. A proven PL striker, whose also a pressing striker and enough of a difference from Ollie to give us options. We’d be mad to sell him and I think the signing did make sense and still does. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 I would also point out we don’t have many attacking options. So never mind just him vying with Ollie who started off injured, then Ollie in really bad form but looks to have turned that around recently but Bailey is injured, Buendia is struggling and Traore is injured. We aren’t blessed with many options so while a lot don’t want Ollie and Danny on at the same time we may not have many options over the next couple of months. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaslash Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Since Gerrard hasn’t had Watkins and Ings fit at the same time it will be interesting to see what happens. With the top of the attack playing a little more compact at times I could see a top three of Ings Watkins and Buendia working a bit better. They all have that bit of skill and trickery for an unexpected pass to slice the defense open. Hope we don’t sell anyone to Newcastle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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