bickster Posted July 22, 2021 Moderator Share Posted July 22, 2021 55 minutes ago, darrenm said: Husker du? - do you remember? Makes No Sense At All Spoiler 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Seat68 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 5 hours ago, darrenm said: Oh and Norwegian makes such perfect logical sense. Every verb ends in 'er' Husk - remember Husker - verb of remembering Du - you Du husker - you are remembering Husker du? - do you remember? Hüsker Dü - don’t want to know if you are lonely. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 7 hours ago, darrenm said: Nynorsk eller bokmål? Bokmål. Although, nynorsk is necessarily influenced by it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 16 hours ago, Tegis said: Oh, and the Finns might as well be Russian, there isn't a single word or phrase that can be deciphered from that 15 hours ago, El Zen said: Yep. They don’t count. Finnish is part of a fascinating language family: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 3 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Finnish is part of a fascinating language family: Hungary is definitely a very interesting case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, El Zen said: Hungary is definitely a very interesting case. Yeah, Hungary being what it is it seems to be a cause for annoyance for some Hungarians that the language is usually included in this family, and there have been various attempts to say it's more similar to other things but AIUI the 'received wisdom' hasn't changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 30 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Yeah, Hungary being what it is it seems to be a cause for annoyance for some Hungarians that the language is usually included in this family, and there have been various attempts to say it's more similar to other things but AIUI the 'received wisdom' hasn't changed. I wouldn’t know, not having any knowledge whatsoever of the Hungarian language, but I thought this relation was universially accepted and not subject to controversy. I think your point about Hungarian exceptionalism is a very plausible one here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 We need someone with the inside line on Hungarian @tonyh29 … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 23, 2021 Moderator Share Posted July 23, 2021 59 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: We need someone with the inside line on Hungarian @tonyh29 … Nem fogja tudni. Limonádét ad a söréhez 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 17 minutes ago, bickster said: Nem fogja tudni. Limonádét ad a söréhez SHAN DEEE. SHAN DEEE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 23, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted July 23, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, chrisp65 said: SHAN DEEE. SHAN DEEE. Top Deck? Edited July 23, 2021 by sidcow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 We have a Finnish friend and Mrs H and her spoke to each other their native tongues and came to the conclusion there wasn’t really much common ground between the two languages but scholars etc will cite that they are both Finno-Ugric origins so I’d imagine it’s dialect and an influx of Turkish into the Hungarian language as to why it’s evolved away from Finnish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veloman Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 I can order breakfast in Danish, Norwegian and Swedish ; 'Ahem ; F U N E X ?' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted July 24, 2021 Author VT Supporter Share Posted July 24, 2021 3 hours ago, veloman said: I can order breakfast in Danish, Norwegian and Swedish ; 'Ahem ; F U N E X ?' Waiter: "I, V F X. U O K 4 T?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 I never had a strong accent being from Lichfield but since being abroad, now i would say I have what you'd call a generic english accent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 As for Poland, there aren't really accents. Mountain people have a different accent but dialect too. Then there's silesia which has a different language which is a cross between german and Polish. As for language crossover, words with French/Latin backgrounds are usually similar. Szampan/champagne Policja/police Ambulans/ambulance Restauracja/restaurant 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 15 hours ago, tonyh29 said: We have a Finnish friend and Mrs H and her spoke to each other their native tongues and came to the conclusion there wasn’t really much common ground between the two languages but scholars etc will cite that they are both Finno-Ugric origins so I’d imagine it’s dialect and an influx of Turkish into the Hungarian language as to why it’s evolved away from Finnish The split would have happened a really long time ago. Two languages in the same family can be quite different. Finnish and Hungarian (Finno-Ugric) aren’t necessarily any closer than Norwegian and Greek (Indo-European). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted September 27, 2021 Author VT Supporter Share Posted September 27, 2021 Quote As beauty is in the eye of its beholder, intelligence is in the ear of the listener. Or, in the case of the BBC manager who told business reporter Steph McGovern that he didn't realise "people like you" – ie with regional accents – "were clever", stupidity is in the ear of the stupid. McGovern writes in next week's Radio Times that her soft Middlesbrough accent attracts adverse comment from viewers who believe that anyone betraying signs of having once been working class should not be nicking jobs from the middle class. For those who know what it's like to open your mouth and see the person opposite dock your IQ by 40 points, only for them to raise a gratified – sometimes visibly amazed – eyebrow once you've successfully completed a sentence, McGovern is a hero for breaking ranks. She's shown up her own employer for its institutional classism, and its viewers for swallowing whole the idea that the only acceptable public voice is that which matches the uniform drone of the professional elite. Having a Brummie accent hasn't done me that much harm professionally, although some might say I've got a good voice for newspapers. Imagine Mrs Overall reading this piece aloud to you and you might understand why I haven't yet been asked to present the Today programme. It's true that I might have had a better chance of doing so had the English don interviewing me for a place at Cambridge in 1993 not laughed out loud when I started reading out a Wordsworth sonnet, sight unseen. I've been telling him to sod off in my mind ever since. There is a basic immutability to my accent, which has survived two decades of living in places other than Birmingham – three years at university with people who spoke either received pronunciation or cockney, and a whole career working mostly with people whose voices, for better or worse, don't root them in one particular place or class. Either I have a deep kernel of stubbornness, which won't allow me to let go of it, or it's simply that it would take more conscious effort than I'm prepared to invest. In any case, the homogenising pressure of entry into the middle class has done plenty of work on my behalf. The vowels are softer now. Language mutates along with accent, often without you realising. I've no idea when I stopped calling lunch "dinner", and dinner "tea", so seamless was their replacement. All I know is that I used to get confused when our teachers would ask what we had for "supper": apropos Stuart Maconie, the BBC radio presenter whose rich Wigan accent I never tire of, it was usually some cream crackers in front of Juliet Bravo. The only thing I care about is speaking clearly, and neither McGovern nor Maconie swallows a single syllable. There's nothing authentic about chewing your vowels so hard that no one can understand you. Working as a music journalist several years ago, I interviewed a young band from Dundee who believed that the best way to show me how rough – how authentic – they were was to ensure that not a single word they said into my tape recorder was intelligible. I suppose their message to the kids was that they hadn't got one. If you grew up on an estate far out from the centre, yet full of adults umbilically attached to the inner-city districts where they were raised, speaking Brummie was the thing that kept you attached to the city. The socio-linguist Paul Kerswill gives a crisp description of how the rush to the cities during the industrial revolution created the class divisions we live with now, and "a divergence in speech at the level of dialect and accent". Emerging cities such as Manchester and Leeds quickly developed what linguists call class-based social dialects or "sociolects". It figures, then, that McGovern has been told by more than one kind viewer that she can't have gone to university, as she'd have lost her accent if she had. Given that only a tiny percentage of the population used to go to university, the great majority of that percentage coming from the upper middle class, the sociolect of academia is an elite one. The more people from Teesside who go to university, the more – in theory – the sociolect of Middlesbrough and places like it will begin to enter the academy, and it'll no longer seem so strange to hear someone who is audibly from northern England, with audibly urban and probably working-class roots, commenting on the day's affairs on national television. Who knows, we may even allow someone like that to lead the Labour party, and desert the rightwing press when they call him or her a "thicko" or a "windbag". Lynsey Hanley Guardian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 When we went on our VP pilgrimage I asked 2 people the way to the bullring and I couldent understand either of them.Luckly my wife had no problem translating.Even now I have problems reading some of these posts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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