sidcow Posted March 11, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 11, 2022 22 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Dont forget revenue will also go up in the summer as some new tv deals in place. And new sponsorship and shirt deals. They're going to eclipse what we have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 5 hours ago, The_Steve said: We need to cancel the Socios deal Purslows "but everyone else is doing it" excuse is probably the most unimpressed I've been with him since he joined the club He's way off the mark over this, got to bin it off 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsky_11 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 3 hours ago, Demitri_C said: Dont forget revenue will also go up in the summer as some new tv deals in place. Not sure it will unless new TV deals are a significant jump. Isn't our 2021 revenue higher than it would have otherwise been due to delayed games from the previous season and therefore higher broadcast revenue, which more than offset any lost matchday revenue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted March 11, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted March 11, 2022 Do the financial side of things take a big step up just by the fact that we’ve been in the top flight for three seasons now, so the rolling three years no longer includes a championship season? Or have I just imagined or conflated that with some optimistic, ill-informed thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 20 minutes ago, Mark Albrighton said: Do the financial side of things take a big step up just by the fact that we’ve been in the top flight for three seasons now, so the rolling three years no longer includes a championship season? Or have I just imagined or conflated that with some optimistic, ill-informed thinking? from my limited knowledge, our finances this summer in terms of income and wages bandwidth etc, will be entirely based on 3 full PL seasons, rather than the previous years which had 1/2/3 season of Champ money in it, depending on the year. However, amortization will still just be over X time period of the player(s) (ie: 1/2/3/4/5 etc), depending on how we amortize, but tbh, not sure that will be an issue, as i doubt we have many expensive, non first team players with super high amortization over multiple years now (excluding players like Wesley), or other players we may offload or release this summer (el Ghazi, Hourihane, Trez etc), will will improve how the wages etc look for future signings. Again, with limited knowledge, factoring in the Jack sale and net positive spend last season, we may have quite a bit of wiggle room this summer, depending on how nuts we want to go in the market. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 12, 2022 Moderator Share Posted March 12, 2022 9 hours ago, tomsky_11 said: Not sure it will unless new TV deals are a significant jump. Isn't our 2021 revenue higher than it would have otherwise been due to delayed games from the previous season and therefore higher broadcast revenue, which more than offset any lost matchday revenue? It is - there's an artificial boost of £32m due to the way we recorded the TV income. In our favour though is that our ticket revenue for the period was about £330k as the stadium was closed - in the next reported period it'll be nearer £17m and with a bit of luck and some favourable commercial deals - we might be able to maintain the top line income level from this accounting period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted March 12, 2022 Moderator Share Posted March 12, 2022 8 hours ago, MaVilla said: Again, with limited knowledge, factoring in the Jack sale and net positive spend last season, we may have quite a bit of wiggle room this summer, depending on how nuts we want to go in the market. I don't think we had a net positive spend last season - this is from the accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 47 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: I don't think we had a net positive spend last season - this is from the accounts. Yes sold Grealish, bought Bailey, Buendia, Ings, Digne, Chambers. Tuanzebe loan fee might be included 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Is this good for us/bad for us? Does it allow us to progress as we would like? What will it mean for other clubs like Newcastle, Everton etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 13 minutes ago, WallisFrizz said: Is this good for us/bad for us? Does it allow us to progress as we would like? What will it mean for other clubs like Newcastle, Everton etc? That's very bad. It is another step to stop new clubs breaking into the top competitions. It basically means clubs need to be in profit to play in European competitions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) https://sportsfinding.com/this-is-the-new-financial-fair-play-according-to-the-ny-times/140489/ Quote The most anecdotal part of the important information advanced by the New York Times is that, in case of approval, the famous concept of Financial Fair Play will disappear forever. Ceferin and the senior UEFA officials are aware of the public image that these words have and the communicative impact that it will have to erase from the map the idea that has governed European football for so many years. Therefore, the FPF is over. From now on, and always bearing in mind that it has not yet been approved by the Executive Board, it will leave that name to be the financial sustainability standards. It never occurs to these bureaucrats that maybe FFP is unpopular because its a bad idea and a proven failure. Try figuring out a way of raising revenues for all clubs, not telling all clubs how to run their business. Edited March 23, 2022 by ciggiesnbeer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calcifer Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, WallisFrizz said: Is this good for us/bad for us? Does it allow us to progress as we would like? What will it mean for other clubs like Newcastle, Everton etc? It is just a way to slam the door shut for competing in Europe unless you are a scum 6 club... Edited March 23, 2022 by calcifer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaParkAvenue Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, CVByrne said: That's very bad. It is another step to stop new clubs breaking into the top competitions. It basically means clubs need to be in profit to play in European competitions. I still can’t understand why we can’t just have a salary cap that goes for all clubs. Relating everything to income will only lead to more made-up sponsor deals, especially at the state-owned clubs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 12 minutes ago, ciggiesnbeer said: https://sportsfinding.com/this-is-the-new-financial-fair-play-according-to-the-ny-times/140489/ It never occurs to these bureaucrats that maybe FFP is unpopular because its a bad idea and a proven failure. Try figuring out a way of raising revenues for all clubs, not telling all clubs how to run their business. There should be a salary cap for European football that is set at the average of the top 10/15 clubs instead. That means they have playing staff limits that keep them on par and allows other new teams to try compete if they can 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 15 minutes ago, CVByrne said: That's very bad. It is another step to stop new clubs breaking into the top competitions. It basically means clubs need to be in profit to play in European competitions. It makes you wonder what is the point of supporting your club. Can barely hope to win a domestic competition because 9/10 times they will be won by the same few clubs, if we can’t aim for Europe, what is the actual point (other than love and enjoyment of the game)? What can we actually hope to achieve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, VillaParkAvenue said: I still can’t understand why we can’t just have a salary cap that goes for all clubs. Relating everything to income will only lead to more made-up sponsor deals, especially at the state-owned clubs. The Super League clubs would fight a salary cap tooth and nail as that is what endangers them the most to new teams coming and taking their place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 minute ago, WallisFrizz said: It makes you wonder what is the point of supporting your club. Can barely hope to win a domestic competition because 9/10 times they will be won by the same few clubs, if we can’t aim for Europe, what is the actual point (other than love and enjoyment of the game)? What can we actually hope to achieve? The hope is with the Premier League and when they move to a streaming service. That will be such a huge jump in terms of club finances it would need a revisiting on the wealth distribution among the clubs and that is the time when it can be made more equitable and introducing salary caps etc.. as every club would be getting hundreds of millions of new revenue. Only when everyones income jumps so massively can you try this. As nobody is "losing" some income they already have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaParkAvenue Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, CVByrne said: The Super League clubs would fight a salary cap tooth and nail as that is what endangers them the most to new teams coming and taking their place. Exactly. Ironically, if or when they pick up the Super League concept again it will 100% include a salary cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarnikjak Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 16 minutes ago, WallisFrizz said: What can we actually hope to achieve? With these financial restrictions, top 10. With an occasional run at top 6-7 every few seasons if everything goes our way and one of the big 6 clubs shoots itself in the foot. The revenue gap between us and top 6 is just too big. Unfortunately thanks to Lerner we wasted 10 years from 2010 onwards when the new financial structure of football was shaped and teams like Spurs managed to get on the gravy train and massively increase their revenues. We moved backwards. It will be almost impossible now to bridge that gap. It will be interesting to see how Newcastle try to get around it and get amongst them. They have much better chances than us thanks to almost unlimited resources and political clout of a whole state behind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, CVByrne said: The hope is with the Premier League and when they move to a streaming service. That will be such a huge jump in terms of club finances it would need a revisiting on the wealth distribution among the clubs and that is the time when it can be made more equitable and introducing salary caps etc.. as every club would be getting hundreds of millions of new revenue. Only when everyones income jumps so massively can you try this. As nobody is "losing" some income they already have. Isn't the Premier League TV money split evenly already? How would Premier League having a streaming service change that? If anything it risks the bigger clubs negotiating their own deal similar to how Barca and Real had in Spain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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