The AVFC FFP thread

[Hank Scorpio]

2 hours ago, Rightdm00 said:

Leagues in the state use revenue sharing which pools almost all forms of revenue and then equally distributes it throughout the league. That's how Green Bay, smallest city in the league, just broke the record for annual salary to one player when they resigned Aaron Rodgers this summer. 

Being from a small market or a big market team in things such as the NFL makes no difference. All teams are on the same playing field financially..they all have the same salary cap they must work to. Even when it comes to stadiums builds etc a small market is able to compete with a major market equally. And then you top it off with the draft system and you have as close to parity as you can get in a sport. If a team is shit it's due to piss poor management and player selection.

[Rightdm00]

43 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said:

Is there any financial reward for sporting success or is it all equally divided? I assume direct sales e.g shirts etc are the way different clubs try to make themselves more profitable?

Teams are allowed to keep 40% of concessions and ticket sales. Corporate sponsor (stadium naming rights) dollars also don't have to be shared. Everything else TV, Licensing, merchandising all go into the national revenue sharing pot. 

Any money for sporting success goes directly to the players. Last year each player recieved $150K for winning the league (super bowl). Money is also handed out for winning at each level of the playoffs but that is also only paid to the players.  

What's interesting is that the money paid by the league to the team owners isn't the money allocated for salary.  In the current CBA the players recieve 48% of all dollars in the revenue sharing pool. That money is then used to set the salary cap for a given year. Each team is required to spend 90-95% of their cap dollars. This is how the NFL is able to ensure all teams are spending within their limits. No team is able to pull a Man City and just take massive losses for sporting success. All spending is based on revenue and hard capped. 

The above is the NFL model. The other major leagues (NBA/MLB/NHL) all have some form of revenue sharing and total revenue capping player expenses. 

[Peter Griffin]

1 hour ago, Rightdm00 said:

Teams are allowed to keep 40% of concessions and ticket sales. Corporate sponsor (stadium naming rights) dollars also don't have to be shared. Everything else TV, Licensing, merchandising all go into the national revenue sharing pot. 

Any money for sporting success goes directly to the players. Last year each player recieved $150K for winning the league (super bowl). Money is also handed out for winning at each level of the playoffs but that is also only paid to the players.  

What's interesting is that the money paid by the league to the team owners isn't the money allocated for salary.  In the current CBA the players recieve 48% of all dollars in the revenue sharing pool. That money is then used to set the salary cap for a given year. Each team is required to spend 90-95% of their cap dollars. This is how the NFL is able to ensure all teams are spending within their limits. No team is able to pull a Man City and just take massive losses for sporting success. All spending is based on revenue and hard capped. 

The above is the NFL model. The other major leagues (NBA/MLB/NHL) all have some form of revenue sharing and total revenue capping player expenses. 

Thanks for that, it is interesting

[maqroll]

Are we veering away from a model of sustainability?

[Czarnikjak]

11 minutes ago, maqroll said:

Are we veering away from a model of sustainability?

We were never sustainable in the first place. £350m subsidies from nswe pumped in, including £50m just recently.

[Czarnikjak]

Good summary of the new UEFA "ffp" regulations by Swiss Ramble 

 

 

[ender4]

8 minutes ago, Czarnikjak said:

Good summary of the new UEFA "ffp" regulations by Swiss Ramble 

 

 

Without reading it… have they screwed us and cemented in the ESL clubs as the winners for life?

Edited August 24, 2022 by ender4

[ender4]

Haha, just read it. Infrastructure and youth academy now included into FFP calculations

So our stadium expansion will limit our transfer activity once this comes into force.

And obviously we can never compete against the big 6 ever again now because of the revenue difference.

Edited August 24, 2022 by ender4

[danceoftheshamen]

15 minutes ago, ender4 said:

Haha, just read it. Infrastructure and yourh academy now included into FFP calculations

So our stadium expansion will limit our transfer activity once this comes into force.

And obviously we can never compete against the big 6 ever again now because of the revenue difference.

Hmmmn, who would have ever thought it? 

Shame we're not a London club and get given a stadium or something....................DOH! 

So a huge well done to them for destroying every Youth team friendly club as this will mean clubs will now neglect them.

Corrupt *****ers

[Czarnikjak]

29 minutes ago, ender4 said:

Haha, just read it. Infrastructure and yourh academy now included into FFP calculations

So our stadium expansion will limit our transfer activity once this comes into force.

And obviously we can never compete against the big 6 ever again now because of the revenue difference.

On a positive note,

If things go as they do now, this actually won't affect us at all, as we won't be playing in Europe for next 10 years at least

Edited August 24, 2022 by Czarnikjak

[Sam-AVFC]

46 minutes ago, ender4 said:

Haha, just read it. Infrastructure and yourh academy now included into FFP calculations

So our stadium expansion will limit our transfer activity once this comes into force.

And obviously we can never compete against the big 6 ever again now because of the revenue difference.

Basically forces us to borrow money for work on the stadium and balance the repayments with increased revenue. I'm struggling to see how more borrowing benefits a clubs long term future.

[The Fun Factory]

Oh ffs. In that case Everton are utterly screwed.

[Vive_La_Villa]

@Peter Griffin moved to this thread as going off topic. Do you know what our wages to revenue currently as per last accounts?

[DevonIsAPlaceOnEarth]

I am still absolutely amazed that no one has gone to CAS and argued that these regulations are Anti-Business practices. If some rich idiot wants to throw £300mil at a business to try and grow it that is a protected right for them to do so.

[Peter Griffin]

10 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

@Peter Griffin moved to this thread as going off topic. Do you know what our wages to revenue currently as per last accounts?

I am not sure what the wage bill is. I have read reports it is circa 90m, but I expect it has risen from that. Revenue is about 175m so we are well within limits as it stands but we won't have too much wiggle room

[VillaParkAvenue]

7 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

@Peter Griffin moved to this thread as going off topic. Do you know what our wages to revenue currently as per last accounts?

Would also like to know, especially what part of the wage bill is men’s first team players (not admin and others) since that is what counts according to Swiss Ramble.

I’ve seen wage bill estimates of around 170m for 2023 and player amortisation of around 70m, and turnover estimates of 160-170m. Unless players are sold for big money, that would take us very far from the new percentage limits (90% eventually decreasing to 70%). We would be around 140%?

[Sam-AVFC]

38 minutes ago, VillaParkAvenue said:

Would also like to know, especially what part of the wage bill is men’s first team players (not admin and others) since that is what counts according to Swiss Ramble.

I’ve seen wage bill estimates of around 170m for 2023 and player amortisation of around 70m, and turnover estimates of 160-170m. Unless players are sold for big money, that would take us very far from the new percentage limits (90% eventually decreasing to 70%). We would be around 140%?

I don't see how our wage bill could be £170m. If it is we have been giving out insane contracts.

[Vive_La_Villa]

2 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said:

I don't see how our wage bill could be £170m. If it is we have been giving out insane contracts.

Agreed. No way has it gone up that much. 

[Sam-AVFC]

2 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Agreed. No way has it gone up that much. 

Something that I reckon would bring the whole forum together in their opinion of the manager would be finding out he's on £1.5m a week!

[MWARLEY2]

So basically they have decided that long term investment should be penalised. That creating a better environment for fans to watch football should be penalised. 

Basically you can have a nice stadium or a decent team on the pitch but you cannot have both.  Why would you even bother to invest in a team and its infrastructure with these anti competitive rules in place