Popular Post Villaphan04 Posted February 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 5, 2023 we'll have a hard ******* time finding a striker who is an upgrade on him with a similar skill set in the current market. Players have gone for almost double what he went for and have flamed out quickly. Even Darwin Núñez, who went for 80m, has the same # of goals that Ollie has. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oaks Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 12 hours ago, Demitri_C said: I reckon tete or ichanecheao scores that had they had that opportunity Ihranacho has 6 goals in the last 18 months ffs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody1000 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 32 minutes ago, Oaks said: Ihranacho has 6 goals in the last 18 months ffs They’re probably all against Villa as well! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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foreveryoung Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Villaphan04 said: we'll have a hard ******* time finding a striker who is an upgrade on him with a similar skill set in the current market. Players have gone for almost double what he went for and have flamed out quickly. Even Darwin Núñez, who went for 80m, has the same # of goals that Ollie has. Is this a joke, hard to find a striker as good as Watkins, some hold him in proper high regard, considering the amount if points hes lost us this season?? As for Nunez, he's in a team performing poorly, I'd have him here in a heartbeat!! Pay me £150k a year and I'll find you a striker, as I'm sure Uni could manage it fir the Summer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 13 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Is this a joke, hard to find a striker as good as Watkins, some hold him in proper high regard, considering the amount if points hes lost us this season?? As for Nunez, he's in a team performing poorly, I'd have him here in a heartbeat!! Pay me £150k a year and I'll find you a striker, as I'm sure Uni could manage it fir the Summer. Distinct lack of names I keep seeing as examples of this mythical striker. remember, they actually have to be gettable for Villa. It’s no good just saying Osimhien or someone who’d cost £90m… 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Steero113 said: Distinct lack of names I keep seeing as examples of this mythical striker. remember, they actually have to be gettable for Villa. It’s no good just saying Osimhien or someone who’d cost £90m… As I said we are not scouts or sporting directors, so I doubt we would know a name. But I'm sure the person employed to find us players has a few on his list, if not we need to find someone that has. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Oaks said: Ihranacho has 6 goals in the last 18 months ffs He isnt a automatic starter like ollie is "ffs"0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterDad Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 22 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Is this a joke, hard to find a striker as good as Watkins, some hold him in proper high regard, considering the amount if points hes lost us this season?? As for Nunez, he's in a team performing poorly, I'd have him here in a heartbeat!! Pay me £150k a year and I'll find you a striker, as I'm sure Uni could manage it fir the Summer. The problem here for me is this: both sides of this argument have merit. I don’t believe for one moment that Ollie is good enough for where we want to go. But then to go to that level of striker - it would cost a hell of a lot of money and attracting them here is going to be difficult. Personally I would swap for Nunez as I believe his ceiling is significantly higher in time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 8 hours ago, bannedfromHandV said: Yep, very little wrong with Ollie’s performance again other than missing a pretty easy chance at the back post. He’s really starting to thrive under Emery I think. It wasn't easy - the keeper touched the cross as it was coming over. He was in the right spot for the initial ball but couldn't readjust in the split second he had. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 I guess I go to and watch games and get frustrated at the amount of chances we create for the forwards and can't finish, I dread to think of how many points it's lost us. It's not only Ollie ofcourse, as I'm not sure why we put so much trust in Bailey, he can be just as frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 To improve on Ollie we have to either spend big or buy young and gifted and develop him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaphan04 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 4 hours ago, foreveryoung said: Is this a joke, hard to find a striker as good as Watkins, some hold him in proper high regard, considering the amount if points hes lost us this season?? As for Nunez, he's in a team performing poorly, I'd have him here in a heartbeat!! Pay me £150k a year and I'll find you a striker, as I'm sure Uni could manage it fir the Summer. Definitely not a joke, you'd find it very hard to get another striker of Watkins' quality with his pace. The number of points he's lost us this season? I don't recall him having a specific negative impact in a game such that he lost us points. Sure, there are misses that he has but every single striker will have sitters that are missed. Those who don't have a lot are at a much higher echelon of club than us. I have 43 signings from the last 5 years with a PL club involved and most of them are strikers or play in a striking position (I could've added a ton of wingers as well, but I did not). I would say that I would be surprised if I'd take more than 10 from this list over Ollie at the minute + some of them are unrealistic because they went to a Man City / Arsenal / Man United etc. Rodrigo Leeds 30m Jean-Kévin Augustin 21m Leeds Brewster Sheffield United 26m Karlan Grant WBA 17m Fabio Silva Wolves 40m Raul Jimenez Wolves 40m Patrick Cutrone Wolves 19m Moise Keane Everton 28m --> Going to Juventus for 30m this summer with the obligation to buy. Ayoze Perez Leicester 33m Sébastien Haller - West Ham 50m --> Ajax 22 m two summers ago -> Dortmund last summer 30m Marko Arnautovic - Shanghai (from West Ham) 25m Joelinton - Newcastle 44m now plays a midfield position. Danny Ings - Southampton 25m --> Villa 25m --> West Ham 15m Che Adams -- Southampton 18m Wesley -- Villa -- 25m Lukaku --> Inter 74m --> Chelsea 113m --> Loan to Inter Solanke --> Bournemouth 22m Richarlison -- Everton 40m --> Spurs 60m Felipe Anderson -- West Ham 40m Mitrovic -- Fulham 25m Morata -- Atleti 35m Sorloth -- Leipzig 20m Weghorst Burnley (January) 17m --> now on loan at Manchester United Abraham -- Roma 40m Dan James -- Leeds 30m Daka -- Leicester 30m Alvarez -- Manchester City 21m Chris Wood -- Newcastle 30m in Jan --> now on loan at Forest Adam Armstrong Southampton 18m Gabriel Jesus -- Arsenal 53m Duran -- Villa -- 17m Gordon -- Newcastle 45m Aaronson -- Leeds 33m Rutter -- Leeds 28m Núñez -- Liverpool 80m Gakpo -- Liverpool 42m Haaland -- Manchester City 60m Antony -- Manchester United 95m Isak -- Newcastle 70m Morgan Gibbs-White -- Nottingham Forest 30m Awoniyi -- Nottingham Forest 21m Scamacca -- West Ham 36m Guedes -- Wolves 32m left on loan to Benfica in the next transfer window after being bought. 4 hours ago, ChesterDad said: The problem here for me is this: both sides of this argument have merit. I don’t believe for one moment that Ollie is good enough for where we want to go. But then to go to that level of striker - it would cost a hell of a lot of money and attracting them here is going to be difficult. Personally I would swap for Nunez as I believe his ceiling is significantly higher in time. Completely the point I'm making. Ollie is a part of the "best of the rest" for PL strikers and we want to make it to the "top 6". We just aren't at a financial position to where we can spend the same amount of money on players as some of them are. I think almost all of us would swap Ollie for Núñez, but Liverpool paid almost triple for him as we did for Ollie. We are competing with every club outside of Man City / Tottenham / PSG for these players and they are extremely hard to find. that's why Manchester United have signed Wout Weghorst as their striking option. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 Get a £3m regen from Argentina you mugs. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 5 hours ago, foreveryoung said: As I said we are not scouts or sporting directors, so I doubt we would know a name. But I'm sure the person employed to find us players has a few on his list, if not we need to find someone that has. That's a cop out! Its so easy but because you're not a scout you can't do it? Come on, the striker market is shit at the moment, hardly anything put there and as a result value for money will be even harder to come by It would or at least should be easier to find a goalscoring wide man or just looking how to get more goals from the team in general, Ramsey getting some form back and pushing for 8 to 10 league goals next year, 2 wingers doing the same, then ollies 15 goals isn't so bad 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 5 hours ago, foreveryoung said: As I said we are not scouts or sporting directors, so I doubt we would know a name. But I'm sure the person employed to find us players has a few on his list, if not we need to find someone that has. Sorry thats bullshit. If you want to be the big shot and say somebody is shit at least throw some ideas about who is better 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oaks Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 4 hours ago, foreveryoung said: I guess I go to and watch games and get frustrated at the amount of chances we create for the forwards and can't finish, I dread to think of how many points it's lost us. It's not only Ollie ofcourse, as I'm not sure why we put so much trust in Bailey, he can be just as frustrating. Until Emery came in we were one of the worst creative teams in the premier league. Ollie had 2 goals from an xg of 3.5 under Gerrard underperforming yes but not Jesus levels of underperforming(we would all take him right). Since then he has 3 from 4 xg and 6 goal contributions in 7 games under Emery. I think we should all forget what happened under Gerrard everyone was shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted February 5, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted February 5, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, foreveryoung said: I guess I go to and watch games and get frustrated at the amount of chances we create for the forwards and can't finish, I dread to think of how many points it's lost us. It's not only Ollie ofcourse, as I'm not sure why we put so much trust in Bailey, he can be just as frustrating. The thing that surprises me is that best strikers in the Premier League actually also lead the pack in big chances missed. That's a fact. Lots of goals = Lots of misses, too. Paradoxically, Ollie actually needs to miss (and get) more big chances to improve. Edited February 5, 2023 by Marka Ragnos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted February 5, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted February 5, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Zatman said: Sorry thats bullshit. If you want to be the big shot and say somebody is shit at least throw some ideas about who is better I mean, we're all just fans here, aren't we, on a football forum, not applying for jobs as top-level scouts? I can moan about some petty issue in my local government, and that doesn't mean I need to become the mayor or shut up, right? Someone like Terem Moffi would be a nice addition. Isn't necessarily better, but he's very good. Can we prise him away from West Ham's approach? Ollie's getting better under Emery, and maybe being very good if not a superstar is just fine when you look at all the moving pieces likely to come this summer. Don't we deserve to have two finishers? Of course we do. But yes, it's so hard to find one right now. Edited February 6, 2023 by Marka Ragnos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 14 hours ago, Steero113 said: Put it this way, if he was a Harry Kane-esque finisher, he'd be at Real Madrid and not B6. To be at Real Madrid, there's plenty of other aspects he'd need to improve on other than finishing I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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