Villastine Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 It seems people forget that we signed Kamara from Marseille on a free ourselves. A 22 year old French international. There's no need for the vitriol here. If he gets what he wants he'll stay. If he thinks he can get a better offer in terms of game time and money elsewhere then he'll leave. It's up to the club to decide how much they want to keep him. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Carney and his agent : said nothing ever some bitter Villa fans about a kid probably 20 years younger than them: arrogant and thinks he is better than us disrespecting the club let him rot in the reserves make him train with the under 8s overrated wasnt good enough anyway enjoy Barca B 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Villastine said: It's up to the club to decide how much they want to keep him. Well it seems the club has decided with the decision to leave him behind when they went to Australia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post penguin Posted July 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Keyblade said: The veracity of such claims is one thing, but I'd even contest if what we're seeing is even hubris. He wants to play more football, how much more is up for speculation. We haven't exactly given him much to work with. He was mostly given garbage minutes at the end of a few games, specifically to to coax him to sign a new contract it seems, sometimes to the detriment of the team (Liverpool at home comes to mind). I think it was 1 start under Gerrard, and 1 under Smith? The lad is obviously too good to be still playing youth football, but it'd be just as much of a waste for him to ride the bench. I'm just not seeing how it'd be arrogant of him to want to play more men's football, if not here then elsewhere. I'm not so sure (although I have said previously I believe regular football in the Championship on loan for a season would be my preference for him) The lad is only 18 years old. As you've said yourself some of the minutes were to the detriment to the team, primary objective being his developmental benefit, he just isn't ready for regular top-flight football yet and it's going to be a case of sporadic minutes and appearances for a while or alternatively a drop down to the Championship on loan to play week in week out to get him there. Minutes of all players currently under 19, in the Premier League last season: Minutes of all players currently under 20, in the Premier League last season: Even looking at players under 21 only 15 players had more minutes than Carney. I think realistically he could not have asked for much more. If this is all genuinely only about top-flight minutes then he better be prepared for a move to Forest/Fulham/Bournemouth etc in an attempt to accomplish that, but it all seems much more likely he'll end up at a Champions League club getting much less minutes than he would have been here. Edited July 21, 2022 by penguin Mistake with ages 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerryBarrPet Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, penguin said: I'm not so sure (although I have said previously I believe regular football in the Championship on loan for a season would be my preference for him) The lad is only 18 years old. As you've said yourself some of the minutes were to the detriment to the team, primary objective being his developmental benefit, he just isn't ready for regular top-flight football yet and it's going to be a case of sporadic minutes and appearances for a while or alternatively a drop down to the Championship on loan to play week in week out to get him there. Minutes of all players currently under 19, in the Premier League last season: Minutes of all players currently under 20, in the Premier League last season: Even looking at players under 22 only 15 players had more minutes than Carney. I think realistically he could not have asked for much more. If this is all genuinely only about top-flight minutes then he better be prepared for a move to Forest/Fulham/Bournemouth etc in an attempt to accomplish that, but it all seems much more likely he'll end up at a Champions League club getting much less minutes than he would have been here. Excellent post thank you. If Chuk wants to play in order to improve than he seems to be in the best place now. If he really wants big money (£100,000 per week ?) then he will move out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 35 minutes ago, Zatman said: SO you were happy that a guy signed a contract with a clause that would break it but not a player that will actually see his contract through and honour the agreement Strange fanbase on here at times considering a lot love Kamara who did the same thing I wasnt happy he left BUT grealish gave us many years service and a nice 100m fee. Jack commited from a young age and went on to be a superstar. Chuck on the other hand has started what 2 games, achieved nothing with us and willing to run his contract down despite gerrard giving him plenty of minutes last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 If he wants to leave on a free, let him. If he wants insane money, sell him. If he wants to see where the next 12 months take him, whatever. For every 18 year old we sign from lower league clubs, there will be the odd 18 year old we lose to the European elite. We'll win more than we lose, and we'll shoot ourselves in the foot if we cynically limit his development and freedom and alienate future youth prospects. We need to play tough but fair. It's a balancing act to not look like pushovers, but also not seem like we don't care about youth prospects. I reckon the club will get it right and if he goes I couldn't care less how his career pans out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 20 minutes ago, Zatman said: Carney and his agent : said nothing ever some bitter Villa fans about a kid probably 20 years younger than them: arrogant and thinks he is better than us disrespecting the club let him rot in the reserves make him train with the under 8s overrated wasnt good enough anyway enjoy Barca B Gerrards said it. Thats good enough for me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelVilla Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 One for the Game's gone-thread but I think most of the problem here is the long-term we offered him. He and his advisors see him at a CL-club in the near future and want to make sure of that after this contract. And make some money too of course. I don't say he will play with that CL-club next season but he wants to belong to one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 Just now, Demitri_C said: Gerrards said it. Thats good enough for me the man who promised wholesale changes last season and then played the same team next game Trustworthy source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted July 21, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, NoelVilla said: One for the Game's gone-thread but I think most of the problem here is the long-term we offered him. He and his advisors see him at a CL-club in the near future and want to make sure of that after this contract. And make some money too of course. I don't say he will play with that CL-club next season but he wants to belong to one. Give him a short term contract...can't see anything going wrong there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) The key point here is that it’s totally fine for Carney to want something and feel he can get it elsewhere which will be more beneficial to his career (whether that is money, guaranteed game time, or whatever it is that means he isn’t signing the contract offer) and it’s totally understandable for us to make an ultimatum based on what’s based for the club. There doesn’t have to be a villain in the situation, sometimes things just are what they are. Disagreeing with his/his teams assessment doesn’t mean someone has to be the bad guy. To be honest it sounds more like a lack of communication is the problem, rather than any specific demands. Edited July 21, 2022 by a m ole 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelVilla Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 17 minutes ago, Nigel said: Give him a short term contract...can't see anything going wrong there! Did I say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 hour ago, AVTuco said: GTFO already. GTFU already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 24 minutes ago, Zatman said: the man who promised wholesale changes last season and then played the same team next game Trustworthy source Wholesale changes with the likes of who? Squad was not big enough to implement this. I think he would have had he had the squad and players 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Wholesale changes with the likes of who? Squad was not big enough to implement this. I think he would have had he had the squad and players thats not the point. Manager has lied in the media before to the fans so hard believe him 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 I know Dougie is an established name but why are we more chill about him running down a contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, Zatman said: thats not the point. Manager has lied in the media before to the fans so hard believe him Bit harsh. Very harsh in fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHY Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 minute ago, The_Steve said: I know Dougie is an established name but why are we more chill about him running down a contract? Probably because he’s actually played for us and we’ve had value out of him. I’m not a massive fan of Dougie but I can sort of see why he might fancy moving abroad, the slower pace will suit his style of play better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted July 21, 2022 Share Posted July 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, The_Steve said: I know Dougie is an established name but why are we more chill about him running down a contract? I suspect it’s communication, we’ve had open chats about expectations with Doug and his team, yet we’ve heard nothing from Carney. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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