Straggler Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 I'm one of the people who was concerned about the longer gap between jabs, although certainly not an expert. I'm happy to see the news that there will likely not be a negative impact to pursuing this policy. When the evidence changes my opinion changes. We can add this to the very short list of the things the govt have got right in the last year. It seems like we are looking at the stopped clock at the right time of day here (there is still not enough evidence to convince me that the govt are competent). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 3, 2021 Moderator Share Posted February 3, 2021 20 minutes ago, Straggler said: When the evidence changes my opinion changes The evidence hasn't changed. For the Oxford/AZ vaccine the original evidence has been backed up by further evidence, but it says the same thing. It's good and reassuring, but it's not different. For the Pfizer vaccine, there's not yet any evidence on the 12 week (rather than recommended 3 week) gap between vaccines having consequences (either good or bad). That's as I understand things, anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Just reading another thread, and the possibility of airlines/countries banning people who haven't been vaccinated. Seems again, a bit unfairly punishing the groups not as effected by the plague, considering we've put over a year of active life on hold. Like a situation where only over 50s could go on holiday to certain countries this summer would be absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Just reading another thread, and the possibility of airlines/countries banning people who haven't been vaccinated. Seems again, a bit unfairly punishing the groups not as effected by the plague, considering we've put over a year of active life on hold. Like a situation where only over 50s could go on holiday to certain countries this summer would be absurd. Does this mean no kids on planes? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 3, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 3, 2021 22 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Just reading another thread, and the possibility of airlines/countries banning people who haven't been vaccinated. Seems again, a bit unfairly punishing the groups not as effected by the plague, considering we've put over a year of active life on hold. Like a situation where only over 50s could go on holiday to certain countries this summer would be absurd. I think it will be vaccinated or negative test. However I think all UK adults will have been offered at least their first jab by mid to end of July if they can keep up at circa 600,000 per day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 3, 2021 Moderator Share Posted February 3, 2021 21 minutes ago, Seat68 said: Does this mean no kids on planes? Book me in right now! I'll book a holiday just for the experience of a kid free flight 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 3, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 3, 2021 Has anyone who said they would not get vaccinated changed their mind yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted February 3, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, sidcow said: Has anyone who said they would not get vaccinated changed their mind yet? Nobody can change their mind once they've declared it on Facebook. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 3, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55917793 Quote A vaccine to tackle the coronavirus variants could be ready to deploy by the autumn, the team behind the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine says. Prof Andy Pollard, from Oxford University, said they were already planning to tweak the vaccine. He said it was a relatively quick process - and would only need small trials to be done before roll-out. There is still strong evidence existing vaccines work well against the mutations that have emerged. Although their overall effectiveness may be weakened a little. Quote Prof Pollard said his team were already looking at updating the vaccine to make it more effective against the mutations that are being seen. "I think the actual work on designing a new vaccine is very, very quick because it's essentially just switching out the genetic sequence for the spike protein. "And then there's manufacturing to do and then a small scale study. So all of that can be completed in a very short period of time, and the autumn is really the timing for having new vaccines available for use," he said. Edited February 3, 2021 by sidcow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Is this the build up to the announcement we will need to be vaccinated every 6 months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 3, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 hour ago, LondonLax said: Is this the build up to the announcement we will need to be vaccinated every 6 months? I don't think so. I think there will be a "third" dose late this year if it's not included in the second dose, which it probably will for a lot of people with those timescales. Once the virus is broadly contained by vaccination and there is less of it in the wild, it's much more difficult for it to mutate, so it will then be an annual jab catching whatever mutations occur. Of course if they can get the virus small enough and the vaccines are successful enough at stopping transmission then maybe it CAN be eradicated altogether like with smallpox, but the vaccines have to be very successful at stopping transmission for that, and they have to be got out to all parts of the world otherwise new pockets could spring up and spread again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekka Posted February 3, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 3, 2021 Cases continue to fall - 19202 in the latest update, a fall of over 6000 since last Wednesday. Although deaths are still sadly high (1322), hospital admissions are down. We are getting there. Let's see what Boris says in a few minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekka Posted February 3, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 3, 2021 Source: BBC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 3, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 3, 2021 You do wonder if that dramatic fall is 100% due to the continuing lockdown or if some of the vaccines are starting to have an affect. We're about a month and a half after the really early ones and surely 3 weeks after a good million or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sidcow Posted February 3, 2021 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2021 I have to say with all this talk about the Government just awarding contracts to friends and family I'm rather suspicious of this "Johnson and Johnson" vaccine. 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, trekka said: Source: BBC Interestingly enough those graphs are very similar to Sweden’s, despite no lockdown and very limited vaccines so far. There must also be an element of natural herd immunity that builds up where enough people have had it recently that the virus starts struggling to find fresh victims. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/ Edited February 3, 2021 by LondonLax 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post mjmooney Posted February 3, 2021 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2021 This feels dangerously like it must have been near the end of WWII, when it was obvious that there was going to be an allied victory, it was just a matter of time, and a few more battles. People got complacent, thinking they'd made it. Or they got overly cautious, not wanting to get this far and then die. But of course, thousands did die, some of them in the final hours of the final day. And they will here. We saw our daughter (and granddaughter) today for the first time since she's recovered from covid, and it felt good. But I'll be much happier once we've had our jabs. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Maybe he’s just suicidal afterall, would explain a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: Maybe he’s just suicidal afterall, would explain a lot. Or just an incompetent yet supremely self confident prick. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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