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3 minutes ago, Zatman said:

Then surely Dias and Laporte are much better or Matip is his equal

Liverpool are far off scoring 3 goals a game this season 

Man City play a more controlled game. Have a larger amount of possesion. No 2.6 goals a game but still the leagues top scorers with 60. 

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36 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said:

Hold on...was it our own fans singing he was f****** s***?

I heard it on the TV but thought it was Dirty Leeds fans....

It was Leeds not our lot. I don't think I can ever remember our own singing that one of our lot is shit. Could be wrong though so don't take it as word lol

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This debate reminds me of the Dean Smith thread in the weeks before he was sacked. So many were defending DS and looking for him to be given more time and saying he should not be sacked. He was sacked and Villa is the better for it. Mings is too error prone for Villa, the sooner he is replaced the better imo and I really hope it is this summer. I expect when he is replaced with a less error prone defender then people will realise how much better we are. 

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31 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said:

This debate reminds me of the Dean Smith thread in the weeks before he was sacked. So many were defending DS and looking for him to be given more time and saying he should not be sacked. He was sacked and Villa is the better for it. Mings is too error prone for Villa, the sooner he is replaced the better imo and I really hope it is this summer. I expect when he is replaced with a less error prone defender then people will realise how much better we are. 

It really isn't though. We have the evidence right in front of us how we play when he is on the bench. It hasn't been good. Given that we just signed Hause to a long term deal I doubt the clubs plan is to bring in a 3rd LCB.

I love when a player is underperforming the immediate reaction is to just replace him like Villa have a bottomless well of money to pull from. Last season we were something like 80% of wage to turnover and given our recruitment that # has only gotten worst. 

At some point when defense keeps putting in poor performances as a whole unit you have to start looking at the tactics and strategies we implement on the pitch. 

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1 hour ago, Peter Griffin said:

This debate reminds me of the Dean Smith thread in the weeks before he was sacked. So many were defending DS and looking for him to be given more time and saying he should not be sacked. He was sacked and Villa is the better for it. Mings is too error prone for Villa, the sooner he is replaced the better imo and I really hope it is this summer. I expect when he is replaced with a less error prone defender then people will realise how much better we are. 

The whingers, pub bores and eternal critics are always right eventually

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13 minutes ago, KentVillan said:

The whingers, pub bores and eternal critics are always right eventually

A completely disingenuous reading of the arguments in that thread and also entirely unrelated but unsurprising considering the poster and the thread we’re posting in.

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Looks better with a dcm in front of him.

Will it be Chambers or hause on the right side of centre ?

Hause makes things easy for mings as hause takes on the physical challenge which is often mings downfall by concentrating on the player rather than the play.

Our squad is it till the end of the season so while mings does mings it normally once or twice a game, we know it happens and have to accept it.

Doesn't make it any less annoying when it results in a goal but we are better at the moment with him in the team than without him.

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1 hour ago, KentVillan said:

The whingers, pub bores and eternal critics are always right eventually

Top man, been looking for the comments to put on my grave stone for some time now 👍

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15 hours ago, Rightdm00 said:

It really isn't though. We have the evidence right in front of us how we play when he is on the bench. It hasn't been good. Given that we just signed Hause to a long term deal I doubt the clubs plan is to bring in a 3rd LCB.

I love when a player is underperforming the immediate reaction is to just replace him like Villa have a bottomless well of money to pull from. Last season we were something like 80% of wage to turnover and given our recruitment that # has only gotten worst. 

At some point when defense keeps putting in poor performances as a whole unit you have to start looking at the tactics and strategies we implement on the pitch. 

You are completely ignoring the point I am making. Mings is error prone! This is the problem. Yes he is a good defender most of the time but his errors are too frequent and they are costing us points. Saying we don't have money to replace him is just deflecting from the issue

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15 hours ago, KentVillan said:

The whingers, pub bores and eternal critics are always right eventually

What point are you trying to make? That Mings isn't error prone? That he isn't costing us points? Or that Villa wouldn't be better off by upgrading him?

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Fwiw, konsa was more at fault for the first goal in my view. James still has lots to do once he gets the ball and you wouldn’t bet on him to score from that position. But konsa stands far too far off him and gives him the time and space- plus the finish was decent to be fair 

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1 hour ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said:

The guy was involved in everything, its unfortunate he’s involved in all their goals but he still put in a captains performance and on another day, its not beyond the realms of possibility that he has 2 goals and an assist to his name and we’re all waxing lyrical.

Very true and if it wasn't for his errors we would waxing lyrical about him. But that is the core of the issue, it is his errors which are costing us and stopping him becoming a top centre back

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14 hours ago, brummybloke said:

Looks better with a dcm in front of him.

 

Exactly. With no specialist CDM and his fullbacks expected to be wingers, of course our CBs are getting overloaded.  Don't people think it's strange that Mings and Konsa are both struggling since Gerrard took over?  The answer is not that they're shit and to replace them IMO

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28 minutes ago, Adman said:

Exactly. With no specialist CDM and his fullbacks expected to be wingers, of course our CBs are getting overloaded.  Don't people think it's strange that Mings and Konsa are both struggling since Gerrard took over?  The answer is not that they're shit and to replace them IMO

I think you're almost there - our CBs have been struggling since Nakamba got injured.

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Re the quality of defending in the Prem - the game is played quicker in the Prem than any other league.

If you look at Mings for England he is immaculate. The game is slower. I know he has less to do because England normally play against weaker teams but in the Euro’s he was unbelievably solid.  And two DM’s.

This season the whole team looks weaker defensively. Watkins isn’t pressing like last season. Our midfield is getting bypassed a little easier. And Konsa and Emi have been a little weaker. 

As our boss states it’s a collective thing. 

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1 hour ago, Peter Griffin said:

You are completely ignoring the point I am making. Mings is error prone! This is the problem. Yes he is a good defender most of the time but his errors are too frequent and they are costing us points. Saying we don't have money to replace him is just deflecting from the issue

4 errors leading to goals in 3 seasons. One of them errors we won because of his contribution

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