Wainy316 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) So frustrating that we had 3 wonderfully crafted goals cancelled out by 3 instances of absolute kamikaze defending. Doesn't just apply to Mings but we don't have a catch all defence thread and this guy's the captain. Edited February 10, 2022 by Wainy316 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 He doesn’t hide from the work he takes charge of situations , some which his teammates should have and then the errors always fall on him, he could hide and pass the buck on to others. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: So frustrating that we had 3 wonderfully crafted goals cancelled out by 3 instances of absolute kamikaze defending. Doesn't just apply to Mings but we don't have a catch all defence thread and this guy's the captain. Sums it up perfectly for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blandy Posted February 10, 2022 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted February 10, 2022 34 minutes ago, hippo said: Fair point. But IMO Mings is there primarily to defend. Of course he is, though I'd add that the way Leeds man-mark oppo midfielders and forwards means that sometimes the way to break down their system is either for our players to beat their marker (Coutinho) or for a defender to join the attack like Mings did - it was intelligent play within the context of the game. It's a team game. Mings did pretty well last night. The team defending was ropy at times and it seemed like Tyrone Mings was the one trying to hold it, or pull it back together rather than being the cause of it. The first goal I don't think he know that the second Leeds player was there - the one who nicked it away. If he had he'd have welted the ball immediately he won it off their forward. But where's the shout, where's the left back? Second goal, I think @OutByEaster? was spot on - the ball looped well over his head and he's trying to move across and then leap, whereas the Leeds forward only has to jump and beat Emi B to nod it in. It really wasn't on Mings individually Last goal - he blocked the ball on the line from going in, but there were loads of other players within feet of him and it's 50 50 whether it falls to a forward, or another defender. Even if he's got good contact it could have rebounded of anyone and gone in. Just messy collectively. Collectively the defence and midfield needed to be better, it wasn't one player being off it, it was several who were slack, and that undermined the whole defensive effort. Leeds were good mind, as well. You have to credit their energy and tactics and movement. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeyAnty Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Every single team lets him carry the ball out like he done last night. They know he has a mistake in him and will try to capitalise when he does make it, half way down the pitch, out of position 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 If Mings was playing with a quality ball playing CB then he wouldn't always be the guy who has to take the onus of playing out from back or carrying the ball forward. Konsa is far too limited a footballer and to my eye is the one who needs to be dropped and replaced in summer. I am a big fan of Gomez and he would be a brilliant partner for Mings. We also need to cut the defence some slack as Luiz does absolutely nothing to help the CBs. He's not suited at all to the role he's been asked to play in this team and we desperately need Nakamba back fit. Bissouma and Gomez being added to our first team will be transformative for us in the summer. I pray we can pull both of those off. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 10, 2022 Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, HeyAnty said: Every single team lets him carry the ball out like he done last night. They really don't. All team try and stop defenders carrying the ball out of defence, and there are examples where Tyrone (or any defender) has the ball taken off them in trying it. The key is for the defender to do it at the right time and circumstances and then to actually make something happen. The best advantage for the (any) oppo is to win the ball high up, because any team is then massively vulnerable if the ball is turned over, and all teams try and do that (with the odd exception when they're playing against a far superior team like man City or Liverpool where teams will try and be really compact and get everyone behind the ball). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, CVByrne said: If Mings was playing with a quality ball playing CB then he wouldn't always be the guy who has to take the onus of playing out from back or carrying the ball forward. Konsa is far too limited a footballer and to my eye is the one who needs to be dropped and replaced in summer. I am a big fan of Gomez and he would be a brilliant partner for Mings. We also need to cut the defence some slack as Luiz does absolutely nothing to help the CBs. He's not suited at all to the role he's been asked to play in this team and we desperately need Nakamba back fit. Bissouma and Gomez being added to our first team will be transformative for us in the summer. I pray we can pull both of those off. I really like Konsa, but if I had a choice between him and Mings on current ability, I think Mings is the better defender overall too. But both Mings & Konsa have produced excellent performances and records for us in the past so I rate them both. I think that the bigger problem is needing better support from the midfield to protect our backline. Luiz is a good player imo, but last night he didn't do enough to protect our back 4 imo. Edited February 10, 2022 by osmark86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derryvillan Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, CVByrne said: If Mings was playing with a quality ball playing CB then he wouldn't always be the guy who has to take the onus of playing out from back or carrying the ball forward. Konsa is far too limited a footballer and to my eye is the one who needs to be dropped and replaced in summer. I am a big fan of Gomez and he would be a brilliant partner for Mings. We also need to cut the defence some slack as Luiz does absolutely nothing to help the CBs. He's not suited at all to the role he's been asked to play in this team and we desperately need Nakamba back fit. Bissouma and Gomez being added to our first team will be transformative for us in the summer. I pray we can pull both of those off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 thought he was awful, accountable for all three goals and thought he was Franz Beckanbaur with his forward runs . Yes Konsa was poor to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osmark86 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 minute ago, PaulC said: thought he was awful, accountable for all three goals and thought he was Franz Beckanbaur with his forward runs . Yes Konsa was poor to. first goal he goes after the ball carrying Leeds player and forces a pass that goes to Dan James that Konsa fails to cover (goes through his legs). Not Mings fault imo. second goal, Luiz scuffs a ball into the middle that Mings has to throw himself desperately at. Not Mings fault imo. third goal, Mings plays last line of defense and stops a ball instinctively that unfortunately bounces right back at the Leeds attacker. Could have done better but not really on Mings imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Just now, osmark86 said: first goal he goes after the ball carrying Leeds player and forces a pass that goes to Dan James that Konsa fails to cover (goes through his legs). Not Mings fault imo. second goal, Luiz scuffs a ball into the middle that Mings has to throw himself desperately at. Not Mings fault imo. third goal, Mings plays last line of defense and stops a ball instinctively that unfortunately bounces right back at the Leeds attacker. Could have done better but not really on Mings imo. Down to opinion, his head was all over the place and should have done better in all three instances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 This is what Ashley Preece of Birmingham Mail says Quote At fault for Leeds' first and third and perhaps should have wiped James out for his second. Mings also spurned a glorious chance to equalise with a free header from seven yards out as well during what was an eventful first-half for the England man. The chaos continued after the break with Mings brilliantly blocking Struijk's header off the goal-line before a poor and off-balance clearance went straight into Llorente's path who made no mistake for 3-3. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 21 minutes ago, PaulC said: thought he was Franz Beckanbaur with his forward runs . Why is being criticised for this? We almost scored from one of his runs. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Why is being criticised for this? We almost scored from one of his runs. Because his primary job is defending. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Konsa was just as bad and looking back at the replay the sending off was incredibly stupid. We still haven't got a proper DM and Martinez is not playing as well. The confidence is leaking from the back five. Last season we looked pretty solid with 80% of the same players. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, PaulC said: Because his primary job is defending. It’s been a key attribute for top defenders for years. Ferdinand was great at it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 People are allowed to criticise Mings and not mention Konsa, you know. Konsa was dreadful last night, and I've said as much to other Villa fans. It still doesn't take away from the fact that Mings is making mistakes that are leading to the opposition scoring. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Just now, avfcDJ said: It’s been a key attribute for top defenders for years. Ferdinand was great at it. But Ferdinand was top drawer and Mings thinks he is but when he sticks to normal defending hes pretty good. Last night he was too much of a loose cannon and it effected his decsion making Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Had Mings hoofed it anywhere else they don’t score the third. Needs to learn from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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