rodders0223 Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 1 hour ago, The Fun Factory said: Because he was happy to be a back up squad player and has never let us down when called upon? And now he is 27 year olds with 2 and half years on a deal and we don't want him 6 months after signing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Zatman said: His passing is actually good when he has time on the ball. When he is pressed he can be a mess Exactly this. He is strong technically. It's his concentration levels and awareness that let him down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 59 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: And now he is 27 year olds with 2 and half years on a deal and we don't want him 6 months after signing it? Hause isn't good enough for us and needs to be moved in and should never have been offered a new deal in the first place. This was the Gerrard's doing and God knows why he still wanted Hause, as he never gave him a look in before the contract. Then he lied, saying he would give kortney more game time so that he signed a new deal, then we never saw him anywhere near the first XI after the new contract. Bizarre...even for the Slippy One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 2 hours ago, Tom13 said: Exactly this. He is strong technically. It's his concentration levels and awareness that let him down. United last season at VP he came on at maybe 0-2 and was pinging it everywhere 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Article in Athletic about him today. Terrible situation. Watford want to cancel the Loan and said they won't include him in their 25 mans squad when window shuts. Watford are signing a CB from Anderlecht. They want Hause loan terminated so they cn free up a loan spot. Issue is we don't need Hause we've 4 CBs and Watford need to pay Hause 25k salary as there is no break clause due to injury. Hause himself wants to have surgery on his knee and neither Watford nor Villa agree with him. So he's in limbo. Also the medical facilities at Watford are nowhere near the level of Villa. He's complained of 4 and a half hours between physio sessions. It's a bad situation for him. I understand Villa's stance, he won't get another loan deal while injured and we won't be playing him at all this season. So why would we take a financial hit when not obligated to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 minute ago, CVByrne said: Article in Athletic about him today. Terrible situation. Watford want to cancel the Loan and said they won't include him in their 25 mans squad when window shuts. Watford are signing a CB from Anderlecht. They want Hause loan terminated so they cn free up a loan spot. Issue is we don't need Hause we've 4 CBs and Watford need to pay Hause 25k salary as there is no break clause due to injury. Hause himself wants to have surgery on his knee and neither Watford nor Villa agree with him. So he's in limbo. Also the medical facilities at Watford are nowhere near the level of Villa. He's complained of 4 and a half hours between physio sessions. It's a bad situation for him. I understand Villa's stance, he won't get another loan deal while injured and we won't be playing him at all this season. So why would we take a financial hit when not obligated to. Why wouldn't Villa agree with the knee surgery if he needs it? Watford will still be paying his wages while the surgery is done. Unless Hause is trying to get surgery when it's actually not needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 minute ago, ender4 said: Why wouldn't Villa agree with the knee surgery if he needs it? Watford will still be paying his wages while the surgery is done. Unless Hause is trying to get surgery when it's actually not needed. It's not clear. Just quotes Bilic "He wants surgery. Nobody else was in favour of surgery. And it has been like that for three months" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, ender4 said: Why wouldn't Villa agree with the knee surgery if he needs it? Watford will still be paying his wages while the surgery is done. Unless Hause is trying to get surgery when it's actually not needed. The article suggests that both Villa and Watford disagree with Hause that surgery is needed. I don’t know much about the injury but 2 sets of club doctors are probably more qualified than Kortney to make the call. Edited January 30, 2023 by av1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Watford and Villa can come to some agreement to pay him up and he can have all the surgery he wants. Specialists between both clubs thunk it can be managed and he can be back in 6 weeks yet he wants surgery that will put him out for the season. There are many stories of clubs screwing players over to not have surgery but does this really sound like one of them? Not really. The guy sounds like a chump. He's got less miles on the clock than some 21 year olds. Doesn't even want to play football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: Watford and Villa can come to some agreement to pay him up and he can have all the surgery he wants. Specialists between both clubs thunk it can be managed and he can be back in 6 weeks yet he wants surgery that will put him out for the season. There are many stories of clubs screwing players over to not have surgery but does this really sound like one of them? Not really. The guy sounds like a chump. He's got less miles on the clock than some 21 year olds. Doesn't even want to play football. I guess from his viewpoint he thinks while he's out of action for 6 weeks might as well get the surgery done now, so he can get fully fit over the summer and come back fully ready for the new season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 minute ago, ender4 said: I guess from his viewpoint he thinks while he's out of action for 6 weeks might as well get the surgery done now, so he can get fully fit over the summer and come back fully ready for the new season. Yeah, it would be 5/6 months out. So I think he's thinking we get surgery and he's available for loan next season fully fit. Write off this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 2 hours ago, CVByrne said: Yeah, it would be 5/6 months out. So I think he's thinking we get surgery and he's available for loan next season fully fit. Write off this season He's at a club that say he will be back in 6 weeks no problem. A club that is paying his salary that if they don't go up it costs them 100m. "Yeah just write off this season mate. Everyone agrees you don't need surgery but no bother." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyvilla Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 2 hours ago, rodders0223 said: Watford and Villa can come to some agreement to pay him up and he can have all the surgery he wants. Specialists between both clubs thunk it can be managed and he can be back in 6 weeks yet he wants surgery that will put him out for the season. There are many stories of clubs screwing players over to not have surgery but does this really sound like one of them? Not really. The guy sounds like a chump. He's got less miles on the clock than some 21 year olds. Doesn't even want to play football. ive not seen anything thats says Villa agree that he doesn't need surgery , the move hasn't worked out and now Watford expect Villa to pick up the pieces which they are under no obligation to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted January 31, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted January 31, 2023 I'd like to think we'd treat our players well enough to give them surgery if they needed it, even if it did cost us financially. And that's not to say we haven't already treated him well by giving him decent contracts, but he has fulfilled those contracts by being the backup player he was signed for and generally playing well when called upon. Not his fault if that hasn't been very often or he has been injured. Still think there's a lower PL starting/backup CB in there if he can get himself fit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 not sure if true, but i read somewhere that as he is injured, being left out of Watford's squad means he isnt entitled to "full" medical treatment, meaning his injury wont be treated as expertly as if he were in their squad. The mediation is something to do with allowing Villa to recall him so we can ensure he gets proper treatment or something. As i say, unsure if true, or what the actual score is, its a weird one though. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Surely he can get proper treatment from our club medical staff whether he is registered or not. The mediation will be Watford will refuse to pay a player that refuses to play or partake in a rehabilitation programme because he wants surgery. Basically it's going to get dragged out for 6 months and someone is going to foot the bill of wages for a player who doesn't want to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Definitely one for the bean counters! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 39 minutes ago, MaVilla said: not sure if true, but i read somewhere that as he is injured, being left out of Watford's squad means he isnt entitled to "full" medical treatment, meaning his injury wont be treated as expertly as if he were in their squad. The mediation is something to do with allowing Villa to recall him so we can ensure he gets proper treatment or something. As i say, unsure if true, or what the actual score is, its a weird one though. Yeah it's basically a battle between Watford and Villa and poor Hause is stuck in middle. It comes down to Watford wanting to end his loan and not have to pay his wages / loan fee. Where we're saying we can cancel the loan but they need to pay the compensation to cover the 500k or 700k or whatever it is that they owe for remainder of the loan agreement. We are in the right technically. There is no break clause in the loan agreement and if the player is injured he is still paid by Watford. The medical treatment needs to be provided by Watford too unless the loan was cancelled and he returned to Villa or if an agreement was reached. By leaving Hause out of the squad they don't have to give him the same level of treatment as he would if in the squad. All of this is Watford trying to use Hause and their treatment of him as a negotiation tactic for Villa to settle on the money owed for the Loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 This is a real strange one if he wants surgery although advised by both clubs he doesn’t need it. That’s the part that I don’t get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 God knows what is going on with the injury but as far as finance goes Watford owe the money and Villa will enforce the agreement, they aren't going to give up half a million or more for sod all reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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