allani Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, tinker said: In your opinion? Purslow can't be described as horrendous, as we dont know his involvement in a number of questionable decisions we can only assume from the information we have and our own opinions on how bad he has been, or how good. If he sticks to the politics of the game then maybe he's is good for us. IMHO. We will see what happens, my opinion is hes been marginalised by a least one appointment and more could follow.....we will see. Which appointment out of interest? I'm assuming Heck - but I think their roles are very different. Purslow only ever describes himself as a football administrator. Heck is not a football administrator, he is not even a basketball administrator. Will some of the things that Purslow has done for us now be done by Heck (or at least driven by him)? Probably - edging towards certainly. But I think that is to do with strengthing V-Sports and our global reach / strategy rather than marginalising Purslow. We haven't created V-Sports just to marginalise an ineffective CEO (or if we have that is one of the most Heath Robinson solutions of all time). I don't know whether Purslow would have had ambitions to run V-Sports - which would be the only way he'd be likely to feel marginalised. My impression (and this is only my opinion as I have never met the man but it is shaped by the interviews he has given - particularly the one with Beth Rigby recently) is that he wants to be battling the FA, PL, other CEOs, the government (and may UEFA) over making football "fairer" and leading the redevelopment at VP rather than flying to the US to try and negotiate commercial deals there. We're also clearly after someone to fill the position that Alemany was lined up for (whether that is with V-Sports or Villa) and again they will almost certainly assume some or the responsibilities that maybe Purslow had before. But again that's about becoming more better rather than hoping that it will make Purslow leave (which is what was originally suggested with the idea of marginalising him). V-Sports have definitely moved up a gear in recent weeks. Personally I think because Unai has given us the opportunity to accelerate to the next stage of the plan as we're not worrying about what happens if we get relegated. But V-Sports is the way that we will try and take on the Sly 6 + Newcastle - by being better run, by getting access to a wider pool of players earlier, by using it to bring in revenue streams that just wouldn't be open to us for maybe 20 years otherwise, etc. It absolutely isn't about trying to get rid of a CEO that the owners have no faith in. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post allani Posted May 22, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 22, 2023 33 minutes ago, tinker said: In your opinion? Purslow can't be described as horrendous, as we dont know his involvement in a number of questionable decisions we can only assume from the information we have and our own opinions on how bad he has been, or how good. If he sticks to the politics of the game then maybe he's is good for us. IMHO. We will see what happens, my opinion is hes been marginalised by a least one appointment and more could follow.....we will see. PS - I'm not necessarily in the Purslow is awesome camp. I think he's done some good stuff and he's made some questionable calls (much like most CEOs). But I do think that NSWE are properly good businessmen and owners. In my opinion an ownership team who envisage V-Sports and are looking to set up links in multiple countries / continents that will help feed the next generation of stars into the V-Sports network are seriously dedicated to achieving something big. They have enough experience in business and in sport specifically to know if someone is ****. So I find it difficult to square off how two guys who clearly have such a strong vision for V-Sports and the ability to attract big names (even if one then went back to work for Barcelona) would be unable to spot that one of their most senior execs is as bad as some claim. If he was even half as bad as that he'd be out. These guys won't hang around risking their investment where someone bad holds the keys. It is possible that Purslow will feel marginalised and that he subsequently resigns in the next few months and if he does I am sure that we will find someone good to replace him (possibly someone better). But my point is more that we're naturally progressing towards a very different business than just Aston Villa FC. The appointments / development of V-Sports are part of a strategic aim to compete in multiple markets, deliver success in multiple countries and (ultimately) make the owners a lot of money in many countries. The new people coming on aren't coming in to replace the CEO of Villa - they are coming in to realise the wider dream of V-Sports. Personally I'd agree that Purslow wouldn't be the right man to work at that global strategic level - his knowledge is too limited to English football. But he can be "marginalised" at a V-Sports level without it meaning that our owners think he's not a good CEO for an English football team. And I can't believe that either of our owners would allow someone to continue in a very senior role unless they thought that they were pretty good at their job. I find the fact that our owners haven't sacked him more convincing as an argument that he must be doing a pretty decent job as opposed to some of the more wild "opinions" in this thread. Obviously if the owners sack Purslow tomorrow for serious negligence then that opinion might change pretty quickly!!!! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 6 hours ago, Panto_Villan said: A premier league football club changes the most important member of staff (the manager) on average every ten months or so. The barriers to firing people clearly aren’t that significant; they usually just mean you get a hefty payout. The disruption caused is worth it in the long term. If the owners thought Purslow was holding them back he’d be in the bin immediately. The owners are far too savvy to keep an underperformer around in such a key position. They may not think he’s underperforming but that doesn’t mean they’re not open to an upgrade if one was available. CEO is a key position I agree but it’s a different position to that of the manager. The effect on the club that the manager has can be quite significant over a short period of time, as we’ve just happily been witnessing. The reason managers change quite quickly is because clubs are always hoping for that sort of effect. It doesn’t always happen that way though! The CEO’s remit is more strategic and takes longer to play out. So clubs and owners aren’t looking for a magic bullet like they are with managerial appointments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 (edited) 35 minutes ago, allani said: PS - I'm not necessarily in the Purslow is awesome camp. I think he's done some good stuff and he's made some questionable calls (much like most CEOs). But I do think that NSWE are properly good businessmen and owners. In my opinion an ownership team who envisage V-Sports and are looking to set up links in multiple countries / continents that will help feed the next generation of stars into the V-Sports network are seriously dedicated to achieving something big. They have enough experience in business and in sport specifically to know if someone is ****. So I find it difficult to square off how two guys who clearly have such a strong vision for V-Sports and the ability to attract big names (even if one then went back to work for Barcelona) would be unable to spot that one of their most senior execs is as bad as some claim. If he was even half as bad as that he'd be out. These guys won't hang around risking their investment where someone bad holds the keys. It is possible that Purslow will feel marginalised and that he subsequently resigns in the next few months and if he does I am sure that we will find someone good to replace him (possibly someone better). But my point is more that we're naturally progressing towards a very different business than just Aston Villa FC. The appointments / development of V-Sports are part of a strategic aim to compete in multiple markets, deliver success in multiple countries and (ultimately) make the owners a lot of money in many countries. The new people coming on aren't coming in to replace the CEO of Villa - they are coming in to realise the wider dream of V-Sports. Personally I'd agree that Purslow wouldn't be the right man to work at that global strategic level - his knowledge is too limited to English football. But he can be "marginalised" at a V-Sports level without it meaning that our owners think he's not a good CEO for an English football team. And I can't believe that either of our owners would allow someone to continue in a very senior role unless they thought that they were pretty good at their job. I find the fact that our owners haven't sacked him more convincing as an argument that he must be doing a pretty decent job as opposed to some of the more wild "opinions" in this thread. Obviously if the owners sack Purslow tomorrow for serious negligence then that opinion might change pretty quickly!!!! its horses for courses....I don't know enough intimately of what he does to make a firm stance.....The SG moment wasn't one of his best, but all Ceo's make mistakes....a mistake, I would have made, so I can't criticism him for that. He seems very well versed in things like FFP, which is nifty to have, and I guess tons of stuff we don't get to see. My gut tells me, he is ok.....and your comments sum it up well imo. We haven't exactly been blessed with good Ceo's over the years, so we might be best leaving well alone...He seems happy to let Unai, do his thing too, so thats a plus. Ps I have a hunch and it's only that, he was trying to do too much, in too many area's......hence we are now, bringing folk in, to help. Edited May 22, 2023 by TRO 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 55 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: They may not think he’s underperforming but that doesn’t mean they’re not open to an upgrade if one was available. CEO is a key position I agree but it’s a different position to that of the manager. The effect on the club that the manager has can be quite significant over a short period of time, as we’ve just happily been witnessing. The reason managers change quite quickly is because clubs are always hoping for that sort of effect. It doesn’t always happen that way though! The CEO’s remit is more strategic and takes longer to play out. So clubs and owners aren’t looking for a magic bullet like they are with managerial appointments. It hasn't just been the managers, though - Suso was shown the door early on and replaced by Lange, presumably because they thought he wasn't performing (which in hindsight may have been a tad harsh given most of his signings came good). He wasn't in a position where you'd expect to see people get fired quickly but it still happened. I don't think the owners are at all scared to get rid of people if they think they're underperforming or can get an upgrade. And yeah, of course, if the owners thought they could get an upgrade on Purslow then he'd be gone - I agree it'd probably be in a less abrupt way than you get rid of a manager, but he'd still be gone. Ultimately though it sounds like you're agreeing with me here. If Purslow was anywhere near as bad as the naysayers on here make out, he'd be very easy to replace someone better. The fact he hasn't already been eased out and replaced with someone more competent suggests that the owners are actually happy with the job he's doing, which means anyone who thinks Purslow is an idiot must also think the owners are idiots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post villa4europe Posted May 22, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 22, 2023 Brink of europe "Sack the CEO" 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sidcow Posted May 22, 2023 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted May 22, 2023 7 hours ago, Rightdm00 said: Is this thread really one guy with an axe to grind and everyone else popping in, reading the hollow earth like conspiracy theories and going..... WTF??? No. Its 3 guys with an axe to grind and everyone else popping in, reading the hollow earth like conspiracy theories and going..... WTF??? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post avfc1982am Posted May 22, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 22, 2023 I'm not a Purslow fan by any stretch but some of the anti Purslow stuff on here is pretty pathetic tbh. A little like bitching for bitching sake without any real substance, just guesswork. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Panto_Villan said: It hasn't just been the managers, though - Suso was shown the door early on and replaced by Lange, presumably because they thought he wasn't performing (which in hindsight may have been a tad harsh given most of his signings came good). He wasn't in a position where you'd expect to see people get fired quickly but it still happened. I don't think the owners are at all scared to get rid of people if they think they're underperforming or can get an upgrade. And yeah, of course, if the owners thought they could get an upgrade on Purslow then he'd be gone - I agree it'd probably be in a less abrupt way than you get rid of a manager, but he'd still be gone. Ultimately though it sounds like you're agreeing with me here. If Purslow was anywhere near as bad as the naysayers on here make out, he'd be very easy to replace someone better. The fact he hasn't already been eased out and replaced with someone more competent suggests that the owners are actually happy with the job he's doing, which means anyone who thinks Purslow is an idiot must also think the owners are idiots. The fact that we have recently appointed a President of Business Operations and it appears that we were on the verge of appointing Alemany in a major management position, does that not suggest that Purslow is already being eased out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NurembergVillan Posted May 22, 2023 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted May 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: The fact that we have recently appointed a President of Business Operations and it appears that we were on the verge of appointing Alemany in a major management position, does that not suggest that Purslow is already being eased out? No. His job title is CEO. In any other global organisation, his role is to lead and co-ordinate a team of extremely senior-level specialists who will oversee things such as Business Operations or Football Strategy. Maybe in tinpot organisations CEO stands for Chief Everything Officer, but not somewhere of our size and with our ambitions. 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted May 23, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted May 23, 2023 Purslow has bought into the club if I recall a certain percentage not a huge amount when we were bought for 60 million but if we are pushing on a billion now not a bad investment! He is not going anywhere and nor should he. A few bumps in the road but overall we are going in the right direction. Ticket prices are a pain everything else at the moment is the best it has been in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 9 hours ago, DaveAV1 said: The fact that we have recently appointed a President of Business Operations and it appears that we were on the verge of appointing Alemany in a major management position, does that not suggest that Purslow is already being eased out? Only in the same way that us trying to sign a new international defender might suggest that Watkins is being eased out... 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allani Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 10 hours ago, NurembergVillan said: No. His job title is CEO. In any other global organisation, his role is to lead and co-ordinate a team of extremely senior-level specialists who will oversee things such as Business Operations or Football Strategy. Maybe in tinpot organisations CEO stands for Chief Everything Officer, but not somewhere of our size and with our ambitions. Purslow is also CEO of Aston Villa - whereas Heck's role is with V-Sports. No idea whether Alemany was offered a job with Villa or V-Sports but I suspect we will find out in the coming weeks when we recruit someone into that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 10 hours ago, avfc1982am said: I'm not a Purslow fan by any stretch but some of the anti Purslow stuff on here is pretty pathetic tbh. A little like bitching for bitching sake without any real substance, just guesswork. Since you seem to have a reasonable position, may I ask, what's to dislike about Purslow? Considering our place in football 3 years ago and now, at what point have his actions damaged Aston Villa?* *I should add the obvious one is the Istanbul guy. But, that is with hindsight of what happened, he seemed like a promising young manager at the time of his appointment and was sacked fairly swiftly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, Mic09 said: Since you seem to have a reasonable position, may I ask, what's to dislike about Purslow? Considering our place in football 3 years ago and now, at what point have his actions damaged Aston Villa?* *I should add the obvious one is the Istanbul guy. But, that is with hindsight of what happened, he seemed like a promising young manager at the time of his appointment and was sacked fairly swiftly. I didn't say I disliked him. What you on about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 He’s done an 8/10 job so far imo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, avfc1982am said: I didn't say I disliked him. What you on about? Sorry, you said you were 'not a fan' and I read that as a dislike. My apologies. But the question still stands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 On 21/05/2023 at 22:37, DaveAV1 said: I don’t really think there’s any hate but some people have concerns and surely they’re allowed to voice them? Wrong. 18 hours ago, Rightdm00 said: Is this thread really one guy with an axe to grind and everyone else popping in, reading the hollow earth like conspiracy theories and going..... WTF??? 11 hours ago, sidcow said: No. Its 3 guys with an axe to grind and everyone else popping in, reading the hollow earth like conspiracy theories and going..... WTF??? The same little band of the 4-5 posters continuously launching onto anyone with attack or insults who dare mention a slight negativity about Purslow. ...And yet it's all done without them actually offering any sensible counter constructive argument and just a continous tirade of attack in an attempt to try and belittle other posters by posting nothing but theatrical pathetic bollocks about grinding axes, the world being flat and bullshit about conspiracy theories, all because someone has posted something about Purslow that's upset them and doesn't suit their agenda. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 12 hours ago, villa4europe said: Brink of europe "Sack the CEO" No one has even said this. Why post such hysteria? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 On 21/05/2023 at 22:39, wishywashy said: Quite bold to insinuate that NSWE are absolute idiots who are willing to continually employ a CEO that they don't trust to manage the club. Again, I see no one calling Purslow an idiot, I see no one insinusting NasWes are idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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