AshVilla Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 2 hours ago, foreveryoung said: I'll be laughing out of VP watching him against Man City the weekend. McSloth KDB in a wheelchair would be more mobile than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lapal_fan Posted September 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2022 I need to preface this by saying I like McGinn, always have - a great person and a good player. The decision to give him captaincy however, was an extremely poor one. John is inspirational in his own way, he'll have the odd barnstormer game, he'll usually have a 10-15 min spell in a game where he's flying around, getting tackles in, breaking up play and the odd goal or great pass.. Generally lifting the team and crowd in those moments.. However, we've already talked and discussed the Mings thing, but there's something else which gives me the feeling it was a poor mistake. John off the pitch, in interviews, in club videos, is a bit of a joker. Nothing wrong with that, it's essential in a team environment to have someone who can take the seriousness away and make others laugh. He turns up as a chicken, it's funny. He runs around making glasses when he scores, it's fun. But is that really the type of leadership a football club want? The face of the club? It just doesn't seem right to me. I look at the obvious captains of De Bruyne (who appears as though nothing really phases him), Ronaldo (who is ULTRA focused on his game), Gerrard, Scholes, Keane, Viera, Terry, Chiellini, Bonucci, Pirlo, Hugo Lloris and loads more.. They're more serious. They are stoic, they try and be that person, regardless of the situation. To me, McGinn doesn't fit that criteria. It's not going to change soon, but I just wanted to make the point that, if the squad at our current low can't look around for someone like those I listed, then how can they approach every game with the gravitas our situation requires at the moment, despite I have no worries that they do respect McGinn, but maybe not in the right way we need at the moment. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 omg he can speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, lapal_fan said: I need to preface this by saying I like McGinn, always have - a great person and a good player. The decision to give him captaincy however, was an extremely poor one. John is inspirational in his own way, he'll have the odd barnstormer game, he'll usually have a 10-15 min spell in a game where he's flying around, getting tackles in, breaking up play and the odd goal or great pass.. Generally lifting the team and crowd in those moments.. However, we've already talked and discussed the Mings thing, but there's something else which gives me the feeling it was a poor mistake. John off the pitch, in interviews, in club videos, is a bit of a joker. Nothing wrong with that, it's essential in a team environment to have someone who can take the seriousness away and make others laugh. He turns up as a chicken, it's funny. He runs around making glasses when he scores, it's fun. But is that really the type of leadership a football club want? The face of the club? It just doesn't seem right to me. I look at the obvious captains of De Bruyne (who appears as though nothing really phases him), Ronaldo (who is ULTRA focused on his game), Gerrard, Scholes, Keane, Viera, Terry, Chiellini, Bonucci, Pirlo, Hugo Lloris and loads more.. They're more serious. They are stoic, they try and be that person, regardless of the situation. To me, McGinn doesn't fit that criteria. It's not going to change soon, but I just wanted to make the point that, if the squad at our current low can't look around for someone like those I listed, then how can they approach every game with the gravitas our situation requires at the moment, despite I have no worries that they do respect McGinn, but maybe not in the right way we need at the moment. Bang on. John is good fun, good for the dressing room, can lift a team in moments with hard work. But hardly captain of the squad material. Think of the captains even in the past 10 years. Petrov, Vlaar, ignore 2015 club captain Gabby, Elphick, Chester, Terry, finally Jack then Mings. Only Jack doesn't really fit the mold but he led by sheer example. All the other captains were picked for their leadership and steady hand of the team. Edited September 1, 2022 by DJBOB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 (edited) I love John McGinn and I am so happy he is at this club, I hope he will be for a long time. But if the reason Tyrone needed to be stripped of the Captaincy was to focus on his game then that goes double for McGinn. I didn't see him barking out instructions or lifting the team. This decision has harmed the confidence of two of our best players. McGinn and Tyrone. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Edited September 2, 2022 by ciggiesnbeer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted September 2, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 2, 2022 Thing is, he's the captain for the season now, even if Gerrard is replaced. I can't see any new manager stripping him of the captaincy and giving it back to Mings, it would be very bad man management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Thing is, he's the captain for the season now, even if Gerrard is replaced. I can't see any new manager stripping him of the captaincy and giving it back to Mings, it would be very bad man management. Doesn’t mean they have to start him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted September 2, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 2, 2022 1 minute ago, gwi1890 said: Doesn’t mean they have to start him It makes it more awkward to drop him for more than the odd game. Best bet might be to sell him in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyVillans Posted September 2, 2022 Share Posted September 2, 2022 6 hours ago, mjmooney said: It makes it more awkward to drop him for more than the odd game. Best bet might be to sell him in January. Ten hag was brave enough to bench maguire and they are looking better for it. Hopefully a new manager here can do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheVilla26 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 Expecting a big performance tonight from him, pass accuracy 3%, possession lost 357 times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 54 minutes ago, UpTheVilla26 said: Expecting a big performance tonight from him, pass accuracy 3%, possession lost 357 times. 357 times would be impressive with his vanishing act against anyone that isn't Norwich 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 He had 1 job, Mark KDB. Loses him easily for the goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Dogg Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 The penny is dropping for SG on SJM it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 (edited) Shouldn't start and see how it goes. I have been saying he has been a problem in this team for a while. Most of the attack has pace. Is McGinn there just to slow the play down, cause that's all he does. Edited September 3, 2022 by foreveryoung 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheVilla26 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 Has to be dropped, we've looked a far better team every time he's off the pitch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 He had a great last 25 mins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaphan04 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 midfield looked miles better when he came off. coincidence? He has the ability to make an impact in the squad but he shouldn't be starting every game and i think today proved that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 He is just championship level. Nothing more to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 There's no way he can start the next game. In a sane world, he's played himself out of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farlz Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 Just a miles better team without him in it. Drop him. For good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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