Risso Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 hour ago, bickster said: I appreciate the Smiths, used to listen to them back when they were going, even went to see them a few times, however its rare for me to play them these days, I'm all Smithed out I think Morrissey is a complete and utter arsehole. He really upset a very good friend of mine when their friendship ended (all down to Moz) Johnny Marr is a decent guitarist but he isn't as good as his reputation suggests The other two, bah who cares, really they could have been any bang average musician However, I think you do have to appreciate where they took the Alternative / Indie scene, they were huge and dragged up the profile of so many other bands just because they existed and thrived. One reason to dislike them from even back in the day... I always felt the Woodentops didn't get the credit they deserved because Rough Trade wasn't capable of having The Smiths and supporting some of their better prospects at the same time. I prefered the Woodentops if I'm honest, I still play them now and again but you can't really argue with the Smiths legacy either I don't really think you can blame The Smiths for the relative lack of success of The Woodentops, even though I too liked the latter. Every now and again a band just comes and along and defines the era, whether you like them or not. The Smiths were *the* alternative band of the mid 1980s, a bit like you could argue Oasis were a decade later. There may have been better bands around (there certainly were in the Britpop years) but still, certain bands just seemed to dominate proceedings. I'm obviously rather biased where The Smiths are concerned, but to me they were just about the perfect band that I still listen to now on a regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 I don't hate anyone. I'm quite an easy going guy. I used to hate thatcher, but she's dead and had a long drawn out decline that we got to watch. Which was funny. So that's had some closure. Can't be bothered to dislike the Smiths or Morris. A moody teenage bedroom sulk of irrelevance in the house of pop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted January 30, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted January 30, 2018 30 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: I don't hate anyone. I'm quite an easy going guy. I used to hate thatcher, but she's dead and had a long drawn out decline that we got to watch. Which was funny. So that's had some closure. Can't be bothered to dislike the Smiths or Morris. A moody teenage bedroom sulk of irrelevance in the house of pop. TBH, I'm the same. I just like trolling Smiths fans. I always used to say that the three people I hated most were Tony Blackburn, Margaret Thatcher and Doug Ellis, but I'm not really bothered anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted January 30, 2018 Moderator Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 hour ago, bickster said: Morrissey is a complete and utter arsehole Well, as the saying goes 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 47 minutes ago, omariqy said: I hate Stuart Broad. I'm of the opinion that he's probably a bit of a knob, I think Graeme Swann is probably even worse. They've contributed to some wonderful memories for me though, so could never bring myself to hate them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) I dont really hate the smiths. I dont like the smiths. I hate johnny marr though. word removed. Doesnt stop me appreciating what they did for the music of my youth. Edited January 30, 2018 by Seat68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted January 30, 2018 Moderator Share Posted January 30, 2018 49 minutes ago, dAVe80 said: I'm of the opinion that he's probably a bit of a knob, I think Graeme Swann is probably even worse. They've contributed to some wonderful memories for me though, so could never bring myself to hate them. Swanny, yes, sure. I like Stuart Broad, though. Seems like (from all the interviews etc. I've heard him do) that he's absolutely sound. But I also agree, brilliant cricketers who've brought some proper good memories. I find it really hard to have any hate for any cricketers, they all seem alright to me - certainly far below a level of irrational (or rational) hatred. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 hour ago, mjmooney said: TBH, I'm the same. I just like trolling Smiths fans. I always used to say that the three people I hated most were Tony Blackburn, Margaret Thatcher and Doug Ellis, but I'm not really bothered anymore. Why the hate for Blackburn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Swann comes across as a right arse in my opinion. Stuart Broad much less so. Broad is obviously a bit of a lad, but seems a fairly decent sort to me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 30, 2018 Moderator Share Posted January 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Risso said: I don't really think you can blame The Smiths for the relative lack of success of The Woodentops, even though I too liked the latter. Every now and again a band just comes and along and defines the era, whether you like them or not. The Smiths were *the* alternative band of the mid 1980s, a bit like you could argue Oasis were a decade later. There may have been better bands around (there certainly were in the Britpop years) but still, certain bands just seemed to dominate proceedings. I'm obviously rather biased where The Smiths are concerned, but to me they were just about the perfect band that I still listen to now on a regular basis. Well, you can because as I said Rough Trade concentrated heavily on the Smiths and when the Woodentops were getting a lot of exposure in the Press and on Radio 1, Rough Trade never got any records into the shops because The Smiths always came first. So, on the one hand, yes you're right it wasn't really The Smiths fault but on the other, it was because of The Smiths existing on the same label and the label wasn't capable of pushing a second act out at the right times, when they were getting the press and the airplay. RT wasn't capable of it. I'll admit it's not completely rational but it's always something that's irked me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 11 minutes ago, Xela said: Why the hate for Blackburn? It's a shit hole full of holes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 17 minutes ago, Risso said: Swann comes across as a right arse in my opinion. Stuart Broad much less so. Broad is obviously a bit of a lad, but seems a fairly decent sort to me. Yeah Swann is an absolute tool, I can fully sympathise with Pietersen falling out with him and some of the others. Talking of cricketers I hate, I don't think anyone will surpass Jacques Kallis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, bickster said: Well, you can because as I said Rough Trade concentrated heavily on the Smiths and when the Woodentops were getting a lot of exposure in the Press and on Radio 1, Rough Trade never got any records into the shops because The Smiths always came first. So, on the one hand, yes you're right it wasn't really The Smiths fault but on the other, it was because of The Smiths existing on the same label and the label wasn't capable of pushing a second act out at the right times, when they were getting the press and the airplay. RT wasn't capable of it. I'll admit it's not completely rational but it's always something that's irked me Record label in promoting the most popular alternative band of the eighties shock! The Woodentops weren't bad, but even with the entire marketing budget of Sony or EMI at their disposal, they wouldn't have been as big as The Smiths. Just not as good, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mjmooney Posted January 30, 2018 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2018 10 minutes ago, Xela said: Why the hate for Blackburn? It goes right back to the late 60s, when Blackburn was very much the anti-John Peel. He was the flagship DJ on Radio One, and played nothing but turgid tripe, while constantly sneering at anything remotely 'alternative'. Smarmy and smug. I thought I'd softened towards him in recent years, but then I listened to some of his 'Pick of the Pops' old chart programmes on Radio Two. He's up to his old games selecting what to play in a given year's top twenty, he'll typically go something like: "At number ten, The Rolling Stones, up at nine, Joe Cocker, still at eight, Jimi Hendrix... but here at number seven, let's hear Middle of the Road with "Chirpy Chirpy Cheep Cheep". clearing in the woods. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 i mentioned earlier in the thread my dislike for preachy vegans and this is why.... cant stand Jeremy vine either but for once he’s been out clearing in the woods!!! I have no issues with people making food choices but to be so vitriolic about it is insane. Isnt morrisey a vegan? (Probably explains a lot ) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Xela Posted January 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2018 What an absolute tube. I feel like eating some spare ribs in front of him! Mind you, anyone who describes themselves as an 'activist' is probably a grade A chunt 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 30, 2018 Moderator Share Posted January 30, 2018 26 minutes ago, Risso said: but even with the entire marketing budget of Sony or EMI at their disposal, they wouldn't have been as big as The Smiths. Just not as good, sorry. There you go absolutely distorting what people say to suit some bizarre argument you think you're having Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 25 minutes ago, theboyangel said: i mentioned earlier in the thread my dislike for preachy vegans and this is why.... cant stand Jeremy vine either but for once he’s been out clearing in the woods!!! I have no issues with people making food choices but to be so vitriolic about it is insane. Isnt morrisey a vegan? (Probably explains a lot ) you’d expect him to be Carbstrong with the lack of protein in his diet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 30, 2018 Moderator Share Posted January 30, 2018 That tattoo is almost as bad as the one a bloke in work has got that makes me irritable on sight It's an eye, a heart, a house and a semiquaver all in a line. roughly in the same position as Vegan up there, which is why it reminded me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Tattoos are for wimps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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