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3 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said:

Tbh musicians stealing stuff, either in style or actual parts of songs really doesn't bother me as long as they do something good with it.

Absolutely. Handing the baton on. 

But we're getting off topic. Back to guts hating. 

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59 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

My judgement is still out on John Squire. I do like him a LOT as a guitarist. He, too, started out with that jangly Rickenbacker style - it was all over the Stone Roses debut. I guess he may have even got it from Marr, but knowing what a guitar geek he is, I suspect that he was a Byrds fan. I've never seen him interviewed, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt

There was a track called 15 Days on his solo album that was about The Stone Roses.  The opening verse is -

"They wound on through the hills for 15 days
Suffering every fool that crossed their paths
On their way

I don't think they were looking
For diamonds, silver or gold
They were aiming for the Pistols and the Byrds
That flew above them in the heavy metal sky."

Full lyrics here

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1 hour ago, tonyh29 said:

Tbf MJ knows his music and where he lists things as being identical I’ve no real reason to doubt him 

which of course does sorta infer Marr is lying , which is also a bit strange as he seems quite open to talk about his influences like Rory Gallagher without mentioning the Byrds ... guess only Marr really knows the answer 

 

for my untrained ear most music I hear sounds like it’s been influenced by another source  it would be difficult not to I guess , some of it is blatant lonesome tears in my eyes v Ballard of John and Yoko , some of it is subtle influences ie Amps and pedals ...i even recall watching a documentary once where it turned out one of Beethoven’s prices was influenced by the song of a nightingale when the 2 pieces were analyised together !!

He's completely wrong on this one though.  It's not like Marr even used one guitar exclusively.  There's the famous story of him getting Seymour Stein to buy him a Gibson in New York, and that was was his main guitar for a good while, and the one he used to write "Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now."  If a band is going to be accused of being a "utterly derivative Byrds ripoff" then they should at least sound a bit like them.  To my humble ears, they sound nothing at all alike, apart from having guitars that could be described on some songs as "jangly." And in any case, The Byrds best known songs in the UK and a big chunk of their first two albums were written by other people like Bob Dylan.

I don't think this:

 

 

sounds anything like this:

 

I like The Byrds, and plenty of bands have them as a very clear influence.  The brilliant Teenage Fanclub for one:

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Risso said:

He's completely wrong on this one though.  It's not like Marr even used one guitar exclusively.  There's the famous story of him getting Seymour Stein to buy him a Gibson in New York, and that was was his main guitar for a good while, and the one he used to write "Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now."  If a band is going to be accused of being a "utterly derivative Byrds ripoff" then they should at least sound a bit like them.  To my humble ears, they sound nothing at all alike, apart from having guitars that could be described on some songs as "jangly." And in any case, The Byrds best known songs in the UK and a big chunk of their first two albums were written by other people like Bob Dylan.

I don't think this:

 

 

sounds anything like this:

 

I like The Byrds, and plenty of bands have them as a very clear influence.  The brilliant Teenage Fanclub for one:

 

 

 

 

I've already acknowledged that Marr had more than one string to his bow. And I'm not saying every Smiths song sounds like every Byrds song. But the first time I heard them, that guitar sound jumped out at me - as I said, very pleasurably, but rather spoiled by the tw*ttish singer and his lyrics. And that Marr interview (can't find it YT, alas) was specifically about the Rick/compressor/Fender amp/arpeggios setup. I don't think he quite went as far as saying he invented it, but it was hinted at by the - to me - glaring lack of reference to his predecessors (George Harrison might have warranted a mention too). 

But mainly, he's a Mancunian. 

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SW trains .. the vomit comet fast train to Woking has gone from the sat night schedule which means I had to down my pint and leg it for the slownstopping service to get home today rather than wait until 5:38 

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Debates 

Already convinced people with set agendas shouting and interrupting each other trying to score easy points while totally ignoring the actual point the other persons are making.

Utterly pointless unless there is a good moderator, and there never is because it's all about headlines and what sells.

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19 minutes ago, sne said:

Debates 

Already convinced people with set agendas shouting and interrupting each other trying to score easy points while totally ignoring the actual point the other persons are making.

Utterly pointless unless there is a good moderator, and there never is because it's all about headlines and what sells.

Actually I happened across one tonight that seems to me a good example of a productive debate.  It was on Radio 4, here.

The two protagonists have quite different views and values, but their opinions were expressed in a way that respected each other and focussed on the issue, not descending into personal jibes.

It probably helped that the moderator was a specialist in conflict resolution, rather than a hack journo who wants an on-air punch-up instead of exploring the issues.

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2 minutes ago, peterms said:

Actually I happened across one tonight that seems to me a good example of a productive debate.  It was on Radio 4, here.

The two protagonists have quite different views and values, but their opinions were expressed in a way that respected each other and focussed on the issue, not descending into personal jibes.

It probably helped that the moderator was a specialist in conflict resolution, rather than a hack journo who wants an on-air punch-up instead of exploring the issues.

If done right it can be really good, but it just almost never is.

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I hate Johnny Marr, I hate his guitar guesting on so many 90's tracks, farting all over it like a great honking farting goose. I hate that he has ridden off his former glories for the last 30 years, I hate that he had the temerity to do a **** awful impression of morrissey for a tour. I **** despise Johnny Marr. word removed. 

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