Vive_La_Villa Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, tomav84 said: just watched it again...i strongly disagree. the newcastle lad fell over, and kane quite deliberately leaned in to him as he was falling in order to look for the pen. the fact that kane ended up 2 yards to the LEFT of the ball from the direction he was running is somewhat of a back up to my argument. he was looking for it. one of the biggest arguments against VAR was disrupting the flow of play. i guarantee if they were looking at the screen each time, people would soon get pissed off with it. for now it seems like it's just ticking along in the background, which for me is much better which was the 2nd pen you're referring to? Souness and Lescott said the same but Kane leaned over because he expected him there. But because he had gone down and swung himself in front of Kane he bought him down. But I guess the fact it’s being debated probably means it shouldn’t be given. Second one was the David Silva incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 9 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Maybe the offside which again was millimetres and never would have been debated had the goal been given. Where do you draw the line? What if it was a centimetre off? How about an inch? Inch and a half? At some point it needs to be black and white, otherwise it's unfair on defenders trying to keep a line, and unfair if one team gets away with something another team doesn't. You may as well start the black and white with offside being offside. Otherwise there's really no point of the offside rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted August 29, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted August 29, 2019 18 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Souness and Lescott said the same but Kane leaned over because he expected him there. But because he had gone down and swung himself in front of Kane he bought him down. But I guess the fact it’s being debated probably means it shouldn’t be given. Second one was the David Silva incident. a quick look around (cannot find the clip) and seems that everyone is split on this one too, with some out there indicating it was a dive. so far there have not been any absolute stone wall pens not given despite the review. which was the aim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 9 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Maybe the offside which again was millimetres and never would have been debated had the goal been given. What if it was a centimetre off? How about an inch? Inch and a half? At some point it needs to be black and white, otherwise it's unfair on defenders trying to keep a line, and unfair if one team gets away with something another team doesn't. You may as well start the black and white with offside being offside. Otherwise there's really no point of the offside rule. I don't think the rule is perfect yet, but handball should be handball. I think the only debate in regards to handballs should be, if the defending team does it in their own box, whether it should be a penalty or indirect free kick. The idea that a team can score as a result of it hitting a players hand, and that's somehow seen as acceptable, is mad. That thought process needs to change more than the rule or VAR does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted August 29, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted August 29, 2019 24 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said: What if it was a centimetre off? How about an inch? Inch and a half? At some point it needs to be black and white, otherwise it's unfair on defenders trying to keep a line, and unfair if one team gets away with something another team doesn't. You may as well start the black and white with offside being offside. Otherwise there's really no point of the offside rule. I don't think the rule is perfect yet, but handball should be handball. I think the only debate in regards to handballs should be, if the defending team does it in their own box, whether it should be a penalty or indirect free kick. The idea that a team can score as a result of it hitting a players hand, and that's somehow seen as acceptable, is mad. That thought process needs to change more than the rule or VAR does. exactly. no one complained about goal line technology. you have the tech in place to enforce it, so why wouldnt you? OK it takes 30 seconds longer than GL technology but eventually it'll be instant i'm sure...and within the next 5 years too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Imagine how difficult goal line technology would be if the goalposts where moving all the time and there wasn't a goal line to measure from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Maybe it will just take time to get used to it. I liked it in the World Cup apart from the stupid handball in the final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, sne said: Imagine how difficult goal line technology would be if the goalposts where moving all the time and there wasn't a goal line to measure from. I suppose that's why they use 3D lines and it takes a little longer when doing offsides. God forbid it takes a a minute to decide a game changing incident! There's a bloke near me that always complains about decisions taking to long, making the game longer. If you hate being at the stadium so much, why even b other going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said: I suppose that's why they use 3D lines and it takes a little longer when doing offsides. God forbid it takes a a minute to decide a game changing incident! There's a bloke near me that always complains about decisions taking to long, making the game longer. If you hate being at the stadium so much, why even b other going? Yeah I have no issue with it taking a bit longer. As long as you can see why. The fans in the stadium are often left waiting in the dark while the important "fans", those watching on the telly get more insight into what is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May-Z Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 hour ago, tomav84 said: a quick look around (cannot find the clip) and seems that everyone is split on this one too, with some out there indicating it was a dive. so far there have not been any absolute stone wall pens not given despite the review. which was the aim The Norwich defender volleying Azpilicueta in the knee is baffling. As clear as you can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Watching Athletic Bilbao Real Soc. now and VAR really is beyond stupid. Fair enough it called a penalty call right and took it outside the box. That's fine and all, but I think they spent like 7-8 minutes in total looking at VAR. The players started warming up on the pitch. I literally got so bored I started folding some clothes from the dryer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuartc445 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 On 19/08/2019 at 13:24, villa4europe said: agree but at the same time I think the professionalism, especially with regards to the athleticism, is now way behind where it could and should be how many people are working behind the scenes to put aston villa players out on the pitch? (how many are there for city...) and then how many are there for Martin Atkinson? he has fitness tests and assessments during the year, its still not the well paid full time job that it needs to be it wouldn't bother me if Atkinson was a multi multi millionaire from being a ref, I just want him to be better, we jumped feet first in with technology rather than employing more people to help get it right, he should have a physio, a sports scientist, a nutritionist, the lot supporting him, definitely a psychologist They didn't need to jump straight in though they should have seeked advice from Rugby, who have been using the TMO for years and have gone through all the teething problems that football is going through right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 So no goal for Villa then? OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dr_Pangloss Posted August 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2019 Absolutely no point in this. Grealish with a great run and assist, loses balance in the process, pulled up for a 'dive'. If VAR isn't there to correct incompetence then there's absolutely no place for it. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted August 31, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2019 VAR working great. The most clear and obvious error occurring today literally a second before a goal was scored and it’s not been corrected. What a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 I also want you to look at the penalty to Haller today that wasn't given. Referee was literally like 6 yards away with clear LOS. I am still laughing. Haller must be so confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 I started with scepticism, and have escalated my position to outright hostility towards anyone involved in refereeing in the PL. Complete incompetence from top to bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Total waste of **** money. One of the benefits of VAR is that it's supposed to cut down on controversies like this at the cost of slowing things down a bit but as this season so far has showed, it hasn't done that at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skruff Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 What's the **** point? They're not using it. It's quite frankly embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New_Hope Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Need to take the stance of rugby....allow the play to continue until it stops then (in the case) ask the question 'Any reason not to award the goal?' Then allow the VAR to either agree with the Ref's assessment or not! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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