ciggiesnbeer Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, TheAuthority said: Rumors that Putin has offered Zelensky a deal. Russia hang onto Eastern Ukraine and withdraw if he agrees to never join NATO Just lie to Putin. Nobody will care. Its fine to lie to dictators and betray them. Sure withdraw to your start lines from Sunday and I promise never to join NATO or to challenge the Crimea and Rebel areas. Then join NATO and insist on your rights to the Crimea and rebel territories. Edited February 25, 2022 by ciggiesnbeer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 hour ago, TheAuthority said: Rumors that Putin has offered Zelensky a deal. Russia hang onto Eastern Ukraine and withdraw if he agrees to never join NATO Where have you seen this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterw Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 17 hours ago, Mr_Dogg said: But Russia (Putin) views Ukraine as part of historical Russia, he doesn't recognise their legitimacy. Indeed but its not quite the same. Ukraine is a country recognised by a state by all other states within the international system. taiwan is recognised by a state by something like only 7 or so other states (not sure of the exact number but is tiny) with all others recognising China's One China principle, including NATO and the US. What Russia is doing is contrary to any UN law and its charter set up to stop countries deciding to invade another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 7 hours ago, TheAuthority said: Sending in secret agents to assassinate the leader of a sovereign country happens very rarely if you look at actual history JFK? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 3 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: It's really interesting how the right is so divided on this topic across the Atlantic. The Conservatives might have their dodgy donations, but rhetorically they've been turning up the pressure for months (too much so, IMO, but whatever). By contrast, there are tons of Republican politicians and media figures who are either struggling to contain their admiration for Putin, or cynically faking it, presumably because Trump and Tucker Carlson are kings and they want to appeal to them. Trump's own comments on this the day before the invasion were fascinating: He really has this incredible knack of saying exactly what you expect him to say but still being surprising at the same time. And no-one can imitate the style of his speaking; 'No, it's very sad. Very sad.' He's an absolute monster capable of committing the worst kinds of atrocities. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Russian state tv this morning: “The brave freedom fighters from Luhansk and Donetsk are fighting hard against the fascist forces in the East. We think it’ll take at least 5 days to beat them” Even Russian state tv now has realised that they can’t steam roll Ukraine. It’s actually astonishing that they’re even admitting to being held back conventionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 It’s also worth noting that with losing gostomel to the Ukrainians Putin has likely lost 10 or so squads of his creme de la crème airborne divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Thousands of normal Russians arrested and detained for simply saying that they dont want war and for innocent people to die. Let that sink in. So oppressive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 4 hours ago, ciggiesnbeer said: Just lie to Putin. Nobody will care. Its fine to lie to dictators and betray them. Sure withdraw to your start lines from Sunday and I promise never to join NATO or to challenge the Crimea and Rebel areas. Then join NATO and insist on your rights to the Crimea and rebel territories. Exactly. Putins lied, broke the minsk agreement, said he wasnt invading either. Lie and join nato later. If Ukraine joins nato there is no chance russia is coming after a nato member. Nato would wipe russia out, or it just becomes nukes vs nukes that ends us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 4 hours ago, ciggiesnbeer said: Just lie to Putin. Nobody will care. Its fine to lie to dictators and betray them. Sure withdraw to your start lines from Sunday and I promise never to join NATO or to challenge the Crimea and Rebel areas. Then join NATO and insist on your rights to the Crimea and rebel territories. Could Putin be trusted with his side of the deal (if such a deal even exists)? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post magnkarl Posted February 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) My friends in Russia say that there's never been this many people in the street in their lifetime. They've been lied to and now their sons are in another slavic country killing innocent people that they consider a brother people. A friend in St. Petersburg says that they don't have enough capacity in the holding cells to arrest everyone. Is this the beginning of the end for Putin? The theories about a chronic lifethreatening illness seem more and more likely. Edited February 25, 2022 by magnkarl 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperTed Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 7 hours ago, DCJonah said: I cringe when ever I hear someone say something along the lines of “if X country is so good, why don’t you go and live there?” It’s appropriate here though. Stupid bint. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCU Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Waking up and hearing Japan and Australia (amongst others) issuing sanctions is refreshing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 5 hours ago, ciggiesnbeer said: Just lie to Putin. Nobody will care. Its fine to lie to dictators and betray them. Sure withdraw to your start lines from Sunday and I promise never to join NATO or to challenge the Crimea and Rebel areas. Then join NATO and insist on your rights to the Crimea and rebel territories. Zelensky won’t have any say in any of this. Russia haven’t gone this far not to change regime. If there’s to be a bargain then the number one requirement now will be for zelensky to go and for “free and fair” elections to take place, of course under the watchful eye of the Russian “peacekeepers”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 50 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Could Putin be trusted with his side of the deal (if such a deal even exists)? Exactly. In my hand I have a piece of paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelVilla Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 57 minutes ago, magnkarl said: My friends in Russia say that there's never been this many people in the street in their lifetime. They've been lied to and now their sons are in another slavic country killing innocent people that they consider a brother people. A friend in St. Petersburg says that they don't have enough capacity in the holding cells to arrest everyone. Is this the beginning of the end for Putin? The theories about a chronic lifethreatening illness seem more and more likely. I see posts on Twitter about a lot of Russian soldiers surrendering the first chance they get. Do you know if it's any truth in that? Would be a huge positive for Ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) I took a look at the local dickheads Facebook feed. He’s been noisy Brexit supporter, and very noisy antivax, covid denier type. Hes spent most of the 2 years playing down covid and it’s been pumped up the media to keep us in a state of fear. He has a small echo chamber of like minded followers. The strong feeling about the invasion of Ukraine is that it’s just to distract us and to get covid out of the news. The same people who have been denying covid and that it’s been the government’s agenda to keep it in the media are now saying the government and media are pushing non events to get covid out of the news. One also said all these world leaders are mates and it’s been preplanned for ages. Unbelievable how the minds of some people work, to convince themselves they know what’s really going on. Edited February 25, 2022 by Genie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Genie said: I took a look at the local dickheads Facebook feed. He’s been noisy Brexit supporter, and very noisy antivax, covid denier type. Hes spent most of the 2 years playing down covid and it’s been pumped up the media to keep us in a state of fear. He has a small echo chamber of like minded followers. The strong feeling about the invasion of Ukraine is that it’s just to distract us and to get covid out of the news. The same people who have been denying covid and that it’s been the government’s agenda to keep it in the media are now saying the government and media are pushing non events to get covid out of the news. One also said all these world leaders are mates and it’s been preplanned for ages. Unbelievable how the minds of some people work, to convince themselves they know what’s really going on. You wait until he starts in big school and realises there are uni sex toilets. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Genie said: I took a look at the local dickheads Facebook feed. He’s been noisy Brexit supporter, and very noisy antivax, covid denier type. Hes spent most of the 2 years playing down covid and it’s been pumped up the media to keep us in a state of fear. He has a small echo chamber of like minded followers. The strong feeling about the invasion of Ukraine is that it’s just to distract us and to get covid out of the news. The same people who have been denying covid and that it’s been the government’s agenda to keep it in the media are now saying the government and media are pushing non events to get covid out of the news. One also said all these world leaders are mates and it’s been preplanned for ages. Unbelievable how the minds of some people work, to convince themselves they know what’s really going on. I call them the "it's all a load of bollx" brigade. Because that's there answer to everything. Covid, climate change, health & safety, the EU, - it's not long before you hear "it's all a load of......" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 5 hours ago, ciggiesnbeer said: Just lie to Putin. Nobody will care. Its fine to lie to dictators and betray them. Sure withdraw to your start lines from Sunday and I promise never to join NATO or to challenge the Crimea and Rebel areas. Then join NATO and insist on your rights to the Crimea and rebel territories. 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: Exactly. Putins lied, broke the minsk agreement, said he wasnt invading either. Lie and join nato later. If Ukraine joins nato there is no chance russia is coming after a nato member. Nato would wipe russia out, or it just becomes nukes vs nukes that ends us all. The problem with this wizard scheme is the 'join NATO' part. There is a 0% chance that they will be offered NATO membership if doing so breaks a treaty with Russia. If NATO members wanted to risk nuclear war with Russia, we'd be fighting Russia across eastern Ukraine right now. We aren't doing that, and that's not by accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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