CVByrne Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 15 hours ago, tinker said: He can't invade any country but he has. How strong is NATO? Putin may call it's bluff and see if countries will stick their necks on the line and risk being labelled an agressor. This is part of statement he made today. A clear threat of a nuclear response. "As for the military sphere, today, modern Russia, even after the collapse of the USSR and the loss of a significant part of its capacity, is one of the most powerful nuclear powers in the world and possesses certain advantages in some of the newest types of weaponry. In this regard, no one should have any doubts that a direct attack on our country will lead to defeat and horrible consequences for any potential aggressor" The more we corner him with economic measures the less he has to lose, he's clearly not thinking straight, maybe he's mentally impaired. This is very dangerous for us all, make no mistakes about that . True he is a mad man but still attacking a Nato country means he's at War with the USA and even he knows that's a war Russia cannot win. His aim is to keep Ukraine and Belarus in Russian control and he will station Russian military there like Nato has in eastern Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyp Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, CVByrne said: True he is a mad man but still attacking a Nato country means he's at War with the USA and even he knows that's a war Russia cannot win. His aim is to keep Ukraine and Belarus in Russian control and he will station Russian military there like Nato has in eastern Europe. Ukraine aren’t a NATO country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted February 25, 2022 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted February 25, 2022 Just got our instructions at work to cease any communications with our Russian customer on one of the programs I work on. We've been told to not even open any communication we get from them. Nothing to be shipped to them. Not sure if it's the company taking the initiative or if we've been given sanctions to obey (Aerospace) 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted February 25, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Just got our instructions at work to cease any communications with our Russian customer on one of the programs I work on. We've been told to not even open any communication we get from them. Nothing to be shipped to them. Not sure if it's the company taking the initiative or if we've been given sanctions to obey (Aerospace) Dual use sanctions. My work is in a similar footing - don't touch if it's got anything to do with Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 25, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Just got our instructions at work to cease any communications with our Russian customer on one of the programs I work on. We've been told to not even open any communication we get from them. Nothing to be shipped to them. Not sure if it's the company taking the initiative or if we've been given sanctions to obey (Aerospace) Will definitely be sanctions. Even Civilian Aerospace stuff can be used for military so forms part of the dual use sanction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Genie said: 2022 Champions league final officially moved from St Petersburg to Paris. Darn it, my breaking news was beaten by 1 minute. It's not about how quick you post it, but about how many double/triple repeat posts you make 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 25, 2022 Moderator Share Posted February 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, sidcow said: Will definitely be sanctions. Even Civilian Aerospace stuff can be used for military so forms part of the dual use sanction. I'm not saying you're incorrect (the dual use thing is a truth). But... Dual use Aerospace items were already (before the madness) subject to export control legislation - a license to export is required and would be extremely unlikely to have been granted for Russia, as I understand it. It's possible that some components were permitted for export to Russia, but I'd guess that it's the Company just instructing people out of an abundance of caution. It will have a list of what (if anything) was permitted to be exported, or it may be that the Department for Trade/MoD has been on to the company and said "just stop everything, pronto" while they amend the export control lists to cover Russia differently in light of the madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelVilla Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Is this maybe not going so well for them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Herman22 said: Surely this is the push that Europe need towards proper sustainable solutions. Environmental engineers and scientists call Ireland the Saudi Arabia of renewable energy as we have unlimited and consistent wind energy, but due to government inaction (and misinformation by the oil and gas industry) Ireland haven’t built an offshore wind farm in 20+ years! It would be a multi billion euro investment but surely it would be the best money ever spent! A story that will surely break - or shift up the agenda in the coming days - in a word 'Germany' Germany has built a pipeline that connects to Russia - Nordstream 2. If this goes ahead Germany will have a reliable source of clean and inexpensive energy - Russia will see a significant boost to its gas revenues. This will over time provide Russia with a key allie in Europe - and overtime could undermine Nato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 The west will do nothing worthwile,because they have already stated that an armed response is off the table and the sanctions will not be tough enough and to cap it all off.The SG is a Russian,FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 49 minutes ago, CVByrne said: True he is a mad man but still attacking a Nato country means he's at War with the USA and even he knows that's a war Russia cannot win. His aim is to keep Ukraine and Belarus in Russian control and he will station Russian military there like Nato has in eastern Europe. Does it though ? If he attacks or threatens one of the smaller NATO countries - how confident are you that NATO would swiftly commit to a ground war,??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted February 25, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, hippo said: Does it though ? If he attacks or threatens one of the smaller NATO countries - how confident are you that NATO would swiftly commit to a ground war,??? Not at all, Biden has no stomach for such actions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Just now, Follyfoot said: Not at all, Biden has no stomach for such actions I think it wrong to pick out individuals right now. But as a general rule any country will need to think long and hard about getting involved in a war to protect another country. I think the peace dividend years are over. NATO needs to increase its defence spending and we need to be ready to protect those border NATO states with pre preemptive troop & equipment deployments 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 42 minutes ago, Johnnyp said: Ukraine aren’t a NATO country. I know that ffs, don't randomly reply to a post without reading it properly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, PussEKatt said: The west will do nothing worthwile,because they have already stated that an armed response is off the table and the sanctions will not be tough enough and to cap it all off.The SG is a Russian,FFS. To be fair there is little the west can do right now - . Putin has picked his moment and caught the west on the hop. All the West can do is protect those border states and make sure Ukraine is Putins last move. Edited February 25, 2022 by hippo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, PussEKatt said: The west will do nothing worthwile,because they have already stated that an armed response is off the table and the sanctions will not be tough enough and to cap it all off.The SG is a Russian,FFS. Maybe there is a deal between “the West” and Putin. Don’t advance any further than Ukraine and we’ll talk tough, but leave you to it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, hippo said: Does it though ? If he attacks or threatens one of the smaller NATO countries - how confident are you that NATO would swiftly commit to a ground war,??? Yes, Article 5. So if USA did nothing if a Nato ally was attacked then Nato itself collapses essentially. The response would be proportional, if there was a military incursion into say Estonia there would be a military response from Nato. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Im not sure about this but I think Ukrain is his 3rd move.Hasent he already taken over Georgia and Crimea ? If this IS the case then there is no difference to Putin,now and Hitler in 1939. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Just now, Genie said: Maybe there is a deal between “the West” and Putin. Don’t advance any further than Ukraine and we’ll talk tough, but leave you to it. It's called Nato, if he advances further west he's creating a full scale war with Nato and he has massive fears of that. He'd have an uprising at home in Russia to try depose him while fighting a vastly superior force on multiple fronts. He knows once a country is part of Nato he can't do anything. This is why he's invaded Ukraine to stop it every being part of Nato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Just now, PussEKatt said: Im not sure about this but I think Ukrain is his 3rd move.Hasent he already taken over Georgia and Crimea ? If this IS the case then there is no difference to Putin,now and Hitler in 1939. He had a war in Georgia yes, Crimea is/was part of Ukraine. Also he sent Russian army to Syria too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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