hippo Posted April 10, 2017 Author Share Posted April 10, 2017 I don't ever think we are going to be great in this division. The run we've just been on will probably be as good as it gets, but that should be good enough to get us out of this division. IMO you don't get out of this division playing overly stylish football. I haven't seen one team at VP this season that I have rated or thought 'wow'. Even newcastle we pretty much matched. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, hippo said: I don't ever think we are going to be great in this division. The run we've just been on will probably be as good as it gets, but that should be good enough to get us out of this division. IMO you don't get out of this division playing overly stylish football. I haven't seen one team at VP this season that I have rated or thought 'wow'. Even newcastle we pretty much matched. The only team they have played us off the park at VP was wolves Edited April 10, 2017 by Demitri_C 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted April 10, 2017 Author Share Posted April 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: The only team they have played us off the park at VP was wolves Do you know I was going to post that, but thought I was the only that one that thought that. (Wolves) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Nigel said: It's not patronising merely emphasing the earlier point. The point being that regimes will only change on popular opinion. If the popular opinion points towards him being wanted he will be going nowhere. As for right and wrong nobody will know this till after the fact. However we know this is the way we are going to go about things. Constantly attacking him will do no good to achieving these goals other than wind yourself up and focus on what's going wrong instead of what's going right. So you want to emphasis the point that just the popularist opinion is they way to go because you know that happens, in otherwords, everybody follows the "majority view" when they make decisions. So my opinion is therefore wrong because "thats not how humans work" If you had to make decisions in your own company or as a director or ownership, you'd be out of business before the first tax returns were due. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 57 minutes ago, Grasshopper said: So you want to emphasis the point that just the popularist opinion is they way to go because you know that happens, in otherwords, everybody follows the "majority view" when they make decisions. So my opinion is therefore wrong because "thats not how humans work" If you had to make decisions in your own company or as a director or ownership, you'd be out of business before the first tax returns were due. I'm not trying to answer for @Nigel. However, what I will say, on a personal level, is that Bruce is not going to be sacked before mid-to-late September at the absolute earliest, and if we all have to read 30-40 posts per day begging for him to be relieved of his duties every day for the next five months or so it's going to be one long-ass summer. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I'm not trying to answer for @Nigel. However, what I will say, on a personal level, is that Bruce is not going to be sacked before mid-to-late September at the absolute earliest, This is exactly what I want to avoid the never ending cycle of Sack manager in Sep/Oct - new manager fails for rest of season - give him a preseason - sack manager in Sep/Oct......rinse & repeat So Sack manager once season is nathematically over Jan <-> March give manager till end of season & preseason to hit the ground running for next. Sacking in Sep/Oct just puts too much pressure on new manager (Promotion God Bruce even crumbled) to save the season with no margin for error Edited April 10, 2017 by Grasshopper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Grasshopper said: This is exactly what I want to avoid the never ending cycle of Sack manager in Sep/Oct - new manager fails for rest of season - give him a preseason - sack manager in Sep/Oct......rinse & repeat So Sack manager once season is nathematically over Jan <-> March give manager till end of season & preseason to hit the ground running for next. Sacking in Sep/Oct just puts too much pressure on new manager (Promotion God Bruce even crumbled) to save the season with no margin for error Sure. You're welcome to believe that, you can argue it on here, you could spray paint it on the side of an old train carriage if you want. I don't even disagree; if you have serious doubts about a manager you shouldn't let them spend a ton of money and get a low-quality pre-season in. However, the board of Villa don't have doubts about Bruce. The bottom line is he isn't getting sacked before several games into next season, barring some unforeseen scandal or whatever. Anyway, we're going OT, we shouldn't turn this into Bruce v2.0. v1.0 is bad enough. Edited April 10, 2017 by HanoiVillan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViewFromT2 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Demitri_C said: The only team they have played us off the park at VP was wolves Norwich played us off the park.....as did QPR for long spells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_avfc Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 13 minutes ago, ViewFromT2 said: Norwich played us off the park.....as did QPR for long spells. I wouldn't say Norwich played us off the park. They had a lot of the ball but did nothing with it and Johnstone only had a couple of shots to save. We had a Hourihane header off the bar, a good save from Hogan's shot and Kodjia's chance which went just wide as well as the two goals we scored. QPR was more of a struggle but even then it was more a case of us sitting back at 60 minutes in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted April 10, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted April 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Grasshopper said: So you want to emphasis the point that just the popularist opinion is they way to go because you know that happens, in otherwords, everybody follows the "majority view" when they make decisions. So my opinion is therefore wrong because "thats not how humans work" If you had to make decisions in your own company or as a director or ownership, you'd be out of business before the first tax returns were due. Lol I do run my own business, but that has as much do do with this as when you called me patronising earlier. you talk about majority views as if they are a bad thing, as if they have been arrived at by some mass herd....now that is the definition of patronising! most have arrived at this point by looking at the evidence provided and decided for themselves that this is the correct way to go, at least in the short term...and see how things go. This will evolve over time too. i personally think this is the right way to go, further more I think attacking this regime at every opportunity won't help much with where we want to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BOF Posted April 10, 2017 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2017 I think Sheffield Wednesday (and Newcastle FWIW) put pay to our playoff hopes at the weekend. Never mind what we did or didn't do versus Burton. With how the games panned out, even a win would have left us 9pts behind with 5 games to go. 9pts plus that goal difference at this stage means using up 4 of those remaining 5 games just to overtake what Wednesday have right now. That completely ignores what they'll do during their own 4 games. It was not going to happen. As it is, we're behind by 11pts. As the cliché goes, we didn't miss out on the playoffs this weekend. We missed out on them in the first 32 games of the season. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 38 minutes ago, ViewFromT2 said: Norwich played us off the park.....as did QPR for long spells. Must have been watching two completely differently games as I saw them do nothing with the ball. QPR did not play us off the park either. The only team that battered us was wolves 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 3 hours ago, ViewFromT2 said: Norwich played us off the park.....as did QPR for long spells. Really? We were hardly chasing shadows, we were just compact and a bit too cautious for our own good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tismyk Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 3 hours ago, ViewFromT2 said: Norwich played us off the park.....as did QPR for long spells. As did Burton, home and away 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I know it is very much clutching at straws and I know that neither the EFL or PL will be keen to potentially block Reading's promotion prospects but I overheard on Talksport yesterday that Reading's potential takeover by Dai Yongee & Dai Xiu Li might pose a threat to their being promoted given their attempt to buy Hull was blocked by the PL last year. No doubt they will drag out the takeover deal until the play-off's are done rather than to try to push it through straight away but if not, without any bias at all on my part I do hope they make an early decision and have the team ending the season 7th (us) qualify for the play-off's in their place! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted April 13, 2017 Moderator Share Posted April 13, 2017 17 minutes ago, John said: I know it is very much clutching at straws and I know that neither the EFL or PL will be keen to potentially block Reading's promotion prospects but I overheard on Talksport yesterday that Reading's potential takeover by Dai Yongee & Dai Xiu Li might pose a threat to their being promoted given their attempt to buy Hull was blocked by the PL last year. No doubt they will drag out the takeover deal until the play-off's are done rather than to try to push it through straight away but if not, without any bias at all on my part I do hope they make an early decision and have the team ending the season 7th (us) qualify for the play-off's in their place! Haha, very nice straw clutching Our problem is we're nearly as far from 7th as we are from 6th 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 21 hours ago, BOF said: Haha, very nice straw clutching Our problem is we're nearly as far from 7th as we are from 6th Yep sadly a very valid but true point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Derby Norwich and Preston losing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Xela Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 I think todays results show that even if we had beaten Burton we would have no chance of making it to the play offs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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