foreveryoung Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 You watch gabby or at least Hogan come back in when fit and revert back to the losing style. For me the win gives the owners a little more time to find a decent manager and get rid of this dinosaur. As some guys are saying, yesterday's win was down to 'luck' with a few players out injured/not fit, he had no choice but to play Green and Davis, an change the tactics. All I can say is "Bruce, you lucky barsteward!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post macandally Posted August 20, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted August 20, 2017 The best thing for me about yesterday, was that any prospective Manager watching that will know that without spending money, he has a team that with a little bit of common sense and coaching can win this league. It also showed how useless Bruce has been for 10 months, when he "stumbles" on playing players in the right positions! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 21 minutes ago, macandally said: The best thing for me about yesterday, was that any prospective Manager watching that will know that without spending money, he has a team that with a little bit of common sense and coaching can win this league. It also showed how useless Bruce has been for 10 months, when he "stumbles" on playing players in the right positions! I think your right here, which is worrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 His comments after the game had a bit of Big Sam cupping his ears to the West Ham fans about it. Less moaning and trying to win one over the fans Bruce, it is after all one win after a horrid start. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, dudevillaisnice said: His comments after the game had a bit of Big Sam cupping his ears to the West Ham fans about it. Less moaning and trying to win one over the fans Bruce, it is after all one win after a horrid start. The fans were quite clearly behind him at the ground yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 20, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 20, 2017 Just now, mikeyp102 said: The fans were quite clearly behind him at the ground yesterday. Very much so. He gave them plenty of support back too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Thinking of it Norwich actually played right into Bruce's tactics, although I doubt whether intentional by Bruce. All games this season we have started brightly, just not been able to capitalise. Norwich by swapping sides and making us attack the Holte first, meant that the noise in the ground lifted when we started brightly, the players responded to this and continued attacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dr_Pangloss Posted August 20, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted August 20, 2017 1 hour ago, foreveryoung said: You watch gabby or at least Hogan come back in when fit and revert back to the losing style. For me the win gives the owners a little more time to find a decent manager and get rid of this dinosaur. As some guys are saying, yesterday's win was down to 'luck' with a few players out injured/not fit, he had no choice but to play Green and Davis, an change the tactics. It appears things 'fell into place' not out of planning but necessity. If Bacuna wouldn't have been hounded out it's possible Hourihane would have still been warming the bench. Had Hogan and Agbonlahor not had 'knocks' Davis wouldn't have started. Either way, now we have stumbled on something it's crucial Bruce maintains it rather than reverting back to type. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted August 20, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 20, 2017 (edited) There are plenty of things to be critical of Steve Bruce about, there's no need for such abstract critiques. If he's solely responsible when we lose, then he's also responsible when we win, otherwise that seems very unfair. I doubt SB ever sits there and thinks 'how can we set out to lose this one' obviously he's trying to win football games and yesterday he did. I didn't enjoy vs cardiff as much as anyone, it was diabolical, but if that was Bruce's fault, why isn't it down to him when we play better? It can't be tactical naivety when we lose and sheer luck when we win... If you don't like the manager, then fine, just say so, but don't make up stuff. Edited August 20, 2017 by alreadyexists 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 47 minutes ago, alreadyexists said: There are plenty of things to be critical of Steve Bruce about, there's no need for such abstract critiques. If he's solely responsible when we lose, then he's also responsible when we win, otherwise that seems very unfair. I doubt SB ever sits there and thinks 'how can we set out to lose this one' obviously he's trying to win football games and yesterday he did. I didn't enjoy vs cardiff as much as anyone, it was diabolical, but if that was Bruce's fault, why isn't it down to him when we play better? It can't be tactical naivety when we lose and sheer luck when we win... If you don't like the manager, then fine, just say so, but don't make up stuff. There was no doubt he was pushed to make the changes yesterday, especially without Hogan. Would he have made the changes had Hogan an gabby been available, I very much doubt . It was down to luck yesterday, he obviously didn't realise Davis's attributes until yesterday, or else he would have been playing him, at least as a sub. If he don't start him next game, your theory will be blown out of the water. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Bruce said himself the team selection was forced on him due to hogan not being fully fit and gabby out - no doubt Davis wouldn't have started otherwise - the key is now that we have a found a system that fits we need to continue and build from here . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, alreadyexists said: There are plenty of things to be critical of Steve Bruce about, there's no need for such abstract critiques. If he's solely responsible when we lose, then he's also responsible when we win, otherwise that seems very unfair. I doubt SB ever sits there and thinks 'how can we set out to lose this one' obviously he's trying to win football games and yesterday he did. I didn't enjoy vs cardiff as much as anyone, it was diabolical, but if that was Bruce's fault, why isn't it down to him when we play better? It can't be tactical naivety when we lose and sheer luck when we win... If you don't like the manager, then fine, just say so, but don't make up stuff. ANSWER 7 minutes ago, Eastie said: Bruce said himself the team selection was forced on him due to hogan not being fully fit and gabby out - no doubt Davis wouldn't have started otherwise - the key is now that we have a found a system that fits we need to continue and build from here . I'll even raise by saying Hourihane was being brought back in because he was running out of ideas, it all clicked yesterday so fair play. He finally close to did what some of us us "armchair fans" could see needed to be done some time ago. We are not Managers. Edited August 20, 2017 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 1 hour ago, alreadyexists said: There are plenty of things to be critical of Steve Bruce about, there's no need for such abstract critiques. If he's solely responsible when we lose, then he's also responsible when we win, otherwise that seems very unfair. I doubt SB ever sits there and thinks 'how can we set out to lose this one' obviously he's trying to win football games and yesterday he did. I didn't enjoy vs cardiff as much as anyone, it was diabolical, but if that was Bruce's fault, why isn't it down to him when we play better? It can't be tactical naivety when we lose and sheer luck when we win... If you don't like the manager, then fine, just say so, but don't make up stuff. Full credit for the win. But the question marks over if Davis had played or if hourihane would have played had Bacuna not gone, are fair when questioning the consistency of these results and if Bruce will maintain it. It worries me that the decisions that won us the game have been kind of forced upon him. It doesn't provide much faith that he will start making right decisions week in week out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted August 20, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 20, 2017 (edited) 27 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Full credit for the win. But the question marks over if Davis had played or if hourihane would have played had Bacuna not gone, are fair when questioning the consistency of these results and if Bruce will maintain it. It worries me that the decisions that won us the game have been kind of forced upon him. It doesn't provide much faith that he will start making right decisions week in week out. It worries me too, definitely. What I mean is that you can't have I both ways. Injuries force selections, there's no doubt about that, but to imply that when we lose it's one man's fault and when we win it's in spite of him is unfair. The way some people paint it, it's as though when we lost the players listen to his every word and every miskick is down to him, but when we won he had nothing to do with it. Edited August 20, 2017 by alreadyexists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted August 20, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 20, 2017 41 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: There was no doubt he was pushed to make the changes yesterday, especially without Hogan. Would he have made the changes had Hogan an gabby been available, I very much doubt . It was down to luck yesterday, he obviously didn't realise Davis's attributes until yesterday, or else he would have been playing him, at least as a sub. If he don't start him next game, your theory will be blown out of the water. What theory? I am theory-less, I was just advocating fairness. Bruce can't be to blame for everything negative but blameless for the positive elements. It's a very binary way of looking at things. Not having a go at anyone though, so apols if it came across that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 (edited) 27 minutes ago, alreadyexists said: It worries me too, definitely. What I mean is that you can't have I both ways. Injuries force selections, there's no doubt about that, but to imply that when we lose it's one man's fault and when we win it's in spite of him is unfair. The way some people paint it, it's as though when we lost the players listen to his every word and every miskick is down to him, but when we won he had nothing to do with it. I'm not saying it's in spite of him, this is his squad and he's used it. I just think it's completely fair to have concerns about how consistent these results will be. Edited August 20, 2017 by DCJonah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted August 20, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, DCJonah said: I'm saying it's in spite of him, this is his squad and he's used it. I just think it's completely fair to have concerns about how consistent these results will be. Totally fair, I have the same concerns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Bruce has got to reward performance, will be gutted to see Gabby picked ahead of Davis unless Davis gives him good reason to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villabromsgrove Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Bewildered Bruce admitted he had "his hand forced" with his team selection, and then Villa won a game despite Hutton's usual attempts to throw the match away and just 37% possession of the football at home. How? We actually played a couple of key players in their correct positions and let them attack the oppositions goal with a bit of support so they could do what they're best at. Usually we play players out of their best positions and make them sit back negatively while praying for a lucky break. Yesterday reinforced my opinion that Bruce's preferred method of football and setting a team up is the single biggest reason why we are struggling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, villabromsgrove said: Yesterday reinforced my opinion that Bruce's preferred method of football and setting a team up is the single biggest reason why we are struggling. Which i why i left VP yesterday more convinced than ever that Bruce needs to go. He rolled the dice yesterday knowing defeat would cost him his job. He will soon revert back to his negative ways, its what he had always done. One result isn't going to change a philosophy that he's held for the last 20yrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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