sharkyvilla Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 Why do they ruin a perfectly good summer by bringing the Villa back so early? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, sne said: Complaining about lack of funds and serving up performances like this. You'd have to think Bruce is on borrowed time. Yes there seems to be a fairly common pattern with owners and spending. At first they will supply funds when a Manager says he wants to improve. Then, when things don't, they supply a bit more. Then they reach stage 3 - "hmm we may or may not still need to spend but do I trust this guy to do it based on what his spending has produced so far ?" That means they are both questioning the Managers buys AND his ability to use them. Once you get to that stage it's unlikely an owner will add more. Then they give it a few weeks to see what happens, and that's it....it either works or it's bye bye. I think the Doctor must be at Stage 3. And I doubt very much whether he will be in the least influenced by how many Managers we had before he got here...(rightly so). I think Bruce has time, and a Win next week in either Away game will extend that time, but things will have to click soon. I bet Big Sam is getting his PowerPoint out !! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spoony Posted August 6, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted August 6, 2017 And round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round we go. #Bruce'sReplacementOut 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 7 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: Well I think questions may need asking of Wyness given his two appointments. Take the point but I think most would say Bruce wasn't so 'out there' as to be a bad choice at the time....... not saying I think he was or wasn't but I'm not sure he'd get too much flack for it. And RDM I'm not sure because I have the feeling from somewhere that Tony wanted him. But yes, Tony must be looking at the whole thing. He doesn't strike me as someone who will tolerate failure, if that's what we see happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoughboroughLion Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 Really disappointing that we aren't passing through the middle and changing the play up. We have the players to do it and going down the flanks is only going to get us so far - especially when we don't have strikers available that are good in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 I like Bruce. If we can replicate the first half for 90 minutes we will be promoted. Problem is will we continue to be like the second half team like last year? If so then he needs to go. Now the issue is.. what happened at half time. Dr is saying it wasnt tactical. Sure seemed like it to me? Its a new team. Why would they be negative or getting into old habits? Playing Samba upfront has proven what ive been saying for ages.. WE NEED A TARGET MAN! We need a striker that can hold up the play and bring in the likes of Hogan and Gabby.. flick on headers for the pacy strikers. Link up the midfield. Sell McCormack and Amavi and make sure you get a farking good one. My other issue.. is Steve whinging about FFP. Well.. you had your chance to sell Bacuna and free some wages. Yet you started the tit. He is awful and a back up RB at best. We have enough of those. Should have sold him. Id rather we used Doyle Hayes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted August 6, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted August 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Morley_crosses_to_Withe said: I'm sure seasoned professionals John Terry, James Chester and Glenn Whelan definitely don't know how to pass from back to front. From that passing chart you could see that in fact they did circulate the ball well between them, the problem was the link between them and the forwards, look at it and you'll see it too. The darker the lines the more successful passes and the bigger the dot the more touches. It's pretty easy to see. The seasoned professionals you mention have al played in sides without this problem. Now however they play in a side that really does have a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Spoony said: And round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round we go. #Bruce'sReplacementOut Except it's not though is it? IF we get a decent manager this time then we can build something, if we get a manager that has a footballing philosophy and shows a playing style and starts to show positive movement then he will get a lot of time and support. Bruce has had 40+ games to sort it out (counting cups and friendlies) with massive backing and facilities and has not done so, nor has he shown signs of doing so. Just because we bought (another) dud this time doesn't mean we should stick to it. Edited August 6, 2017 by TheStagMan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, TheStagMan said: Except it's not though is it? IF we get a decent manager this time then we can build something, if we get a manager hat has a footballing philosophy and shows a playing style and starts to show positive movement then he will get a lot of time and support. Bruce has had 40+ games to sort it out (counting cups and friendlies) with massive backing and facilities and has not done so, nor has he shown signs of doing so. Just because we bought (another) dud this time doesn't mean we should stick to it. On paper, who is better than Steve Bruce to get us promoted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 27 minutes ago, Spoony said: And round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round we go. #Bruce'sReplacementOut 100% agree, we've got the man pretty much every pundit considered the best man for the job. We've backed him with funds, he's built his team and now we sack him and give someone else a chance. Mind blowing logic. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 (edited) Double post Edited August 6, 2017 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, Genie said: On paper, who is better than Steve Bruce to get us promoted? I don't know, but then it is not my job to know. That's why we have a management team in place at the club. I'm sorry that I don't have an in depth knowledge of every possible manager but I do know that the one we have is not good enough. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, TheStagMan said: I don't know, but then it is not my job to know. That's why we have a management team in place at the club. I'm sorry that I don't have an in depth knowledge of every possible manager but I do know that the one we have is not good enough. So it's fair to assume that the experts think you're wrong as they're backing our current manager (who is incredibly highly regarded as a promotion specialist). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Genie said: On paper, who is better than Steve Bruce to get us promoted? Sam Allerdyce ..You asked! Edit: Actually, sod Allerdyce. Get Rafa from Newcastle. Word on the tyne is he is getting pretty fed up with Ashley!. Edited August 6, 2017 by AvfcRigo82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 7 minutes ago, romavillan said: From that passing chart you could see that in fact they did circulate the ball well between them, the problem was the link between them and the forwards, look at it and you'll see it too. The darker the lines the more successful passes and the bigger the dot the more touches. It's pretty easy to see. The seasoned professionals you mention have al played in sides without this problem. Now however they play in a side that really does have a problem. I see all that but you said our players "don't know" how to pass a ball from back to front. Genuinely do you think Terry, Chester and Whelan "don't know" how to pass a ball from back to front? It's clear he never wanted to take the game to Hull through the middle - he wanted us to use Taylor, Gabby, Hutton and Elmo to advance the ball quickly down the wings with Lansbury down the centre to create for and support Hogan. The way we tried to play doesn't suggest our players "don't know" how to move the ball from back to front. I'm not sure exactly what you were trying to say really. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: Sam Allerdyce ..You asked! I'd still say Bruce was the better on paper as he's had more promotions and of course is in place and has his own team in the club. If Bruce left, Sam would be the stand out candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: Sam Allerdyce ..You asked! Is he better tho? Of all the retired football managers you chose Sam Allardyce?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, Genie said: So it's fair to assume that the experts think you're wrong as they're backing our current manager (who is incredibly highly regarded as a promotion specialist). Oh yes, the old boys network of Bruce's mates. The pundits and experts who thought both RDH and Tim Sherwood were good manager who were unfairly treated. Behave! I prefer to believe what I see with my own eyes. A very expensively assembled team with definite quality playing like a bunch of amateurs. Its not the result. It is the way the result came about. If the experts believe that someone who fails to make changes when the game has turned, who thinks that defending a 1-0 lead is the way to get promotion, who thinks that Samba is a good idea as a striker or that Bacuna is a good idea as a footballer is the man to get Villa promoted, well, they are not really experts then are they? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 You've switched from talking about the experts employed at Villa to employ our manager to talking about the media (who are all clearly biased). Experts at Villa = wrong Pundits and media = wrong Small but vocal pocket of fans want Villa to keep hiring and firing managers that have got us nowhere so far = right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStagMan Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 27 minutes ago, Genie said: 100% agree, we've got the man pretty much every pundit considered the best man for the job. We've backed him with funds, he's built his team and now we sack him and give someone else a chance. Mind blowing logic. We have a manager who has been backed and given time and players requested. He has proven over 40+ games that he cannot adapt or impose a playing style. Problems that have existed since day 1 are still prevalent and we still cannot put on a decent display for a whole match. We should persevere with him because he might come good? Mind blowing logic! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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